Talk:Partition and secession in New York

A fact from Partition and secession in New York appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 March 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1969 noted writer Norman Mailer ran for Mayor of New York City advocating New York City secession?

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Title[edit]

I don't think the page move was such a good idea, so I've moved it back to the original title. "New York City secession" is basically what the movement is called in a contemporary context. It implies a political position rather than a description of fact.--Pharos 23:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pharos, there actually is a large desire among many in upstate New York to have their own state as well. Many large upstate papers will take a long look at this issue from time to time, for example. Contrary to your assumption, downstaters are not the only ones upset with the current situation.

Can you point me to a few sources for this? For example, some of these editorials. I've never heard of any Upstate politicians supporting secession, for example, though nearly half of the New York City Council supported it, however symbolically.--Pharos 17:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Post Standard of Syracuse took a look at this issue about a decade ago. Looking through Google, here's an example of an upstate, Republican assemblyman who sponsored legislation to allow the voters to decide about splitting the two states: Daily Star:Split Vote. The Gothan Gazette goes into those in favor of splitting the two regions in upstate New York: Gotham Gazette Article Also, I found this article helpful in talking about upstate efforts to split the state: Bill Kauffman

Vallone bill[edit]

Does the Peter Vallone bill call for a referendum on a secession from New York or from the USA? It's not clear from the article. --Jfruh 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear from the text of the bill, either. Vallone's introduction calls for the "creation of a commission to determine whether it would be feasible for the city of New York to separate from the state of New York and to establish a state, or any other entity that such commission shall deem appropriate, of Greater New York." In either case, any secession would require a referendum, the consent of the state legislature and the consent of Congress, which, in my opinion, is an unlikely confluence of events.

Sorry for not replying way earlier, but I believe in political context (and public statements at the time this was first raised) it is quite clear that the Vallone bill was calling for secession from Albany, not Washington.--Pharos 02:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To add to Wikisource[edit]

Mayor Fernando Wood's speech. Also, George Fitzhugh's February 1861 article as reprinted in Empire City: New York Through the Centuries, pg. 268.--Pharos 23:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be consulted in future[edit]

Philip Foner's Business & Slavery: The New York Merchants & the Irrepressible Conflict, which discusses John Forsyth, Jr.'s letter to Jeff Davis on the subject.--Pharos 01:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move?[edit]

Might a better title for this article be "Secession in New York State"? -- Fifty7 (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or better, simpler, "Secession in New York" to incorporate SI separatists? Jim.henderson (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excise Public Policy Institute of New York State citation[edit]

I think that the citation should be removed. The quotation states that secession would be impossible, but the article itself gives no reasoning as to why this is the case. Surely there are works out there that give substantive reasons for or against secession. It is biased to include such a citation because it gives credence to one view on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.214.109 (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Title change rationale[edit]

This afternoon I moved Secession in New York to Partition and secession in New York so that the title matches a similar article, Partition and secession in California, and because this article is about efforts to partition NY it into multiple states and about calls for the secession of certain parts of the state from the Union. Drdpw (talk) 22:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brooklyn secession[edit]

Paragraph one ends as follows:

"and for the boroughs of Staten Island and Brooklyn to secede from New York City."

There is a subsequent section of Staten Island's interest in secession but nothing about Brooklyn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qlangley (talk • contribs) 00:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Divide New York State Caucus merging[edit]

The articles have been merged. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd suggest that New York Region, Montauk Region and New Amsterdam Region be merged to either #Dividing New York State into three autonomous regions, or alternatively as a new independent article covering all three. It hardly makes sense to have three different articles about the same fairly minor proposal.--Pharos (talk) 03:21, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support and looks like it can be done boldly, given the lack of interest czar 01:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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