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Korean chess and Xiangqi[edit]

What is the difference between Korean chess and Xiangqi? According to the Xiangqi article, the two are identical... Kokiri 13:17, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Seems the Xiangqi article is wrong... [1] Kokiri 13:31, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have taken the Xiangxi article [2] and changed to make it fit Korean chess. I hope this is OK, but please check! Kokiri 14:10, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) 14:34, 18 Aug 2004

Corrections[edit]

Thanks Davidcannon for correcting the article. Yes, there is no river in Janggi, and the elephant moves straight first...

Now, can anyone check the hanja (chinese characters) for the pieces? I thought that both sides (red and green) use the same hanja but in different scripts. Thanks in advance! Kokiri 12:57, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've taken care of the hanja. --Iceager 13:16, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It would be nice to have a summary, all in one place, of the differences between Korean and Chinese chess.

I couldn't understand the statement about the king's legal moves, because it refers to the lines on the board, but there is no illustration of the board. Other than the lack of the river, are the lines on the board the same as in Chinese chess? I'm also not clear on how an elephant can be blocked from moving; are there two squares that have to be empty? --Bcrowell 03:35, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The page at chessvariants.org says the players have options about how to place their elephants and horses initially. Is this correct? It also says chariots can move diagonally within the palace, and there's also some sort of special capturing move, like en passant or something? Also, is it correct that pawns and cannons can move diagonally within the enemy palace? This is not discussed in the wikipedia article.

The guards' move isn't stated in the article -- same as king's?

--Bcrowell 03:43, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

They are labelled byeong (?) (soldiers) for red and jol (?) (bandits) for green respectively. Each side has 5 soldiers (or bandits). They are placed on alternating points, one row back from the edge of the river. They move, and unlike Pawns in international chess also capture, straight ahead. Unlike international chess, when they reach the enemy's edge of the board they are not promoted but can move from side to side.

In the section /* The Soldiers */ ... They are placed on alternating points, one row back from the edge of the river. (The non-existant river as shown above). Needs work (I don't know the game, so someone else must fix the problem). Leonard G. 04:42, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This page needs to be renamed "Janggi" as the game is known in Korea and the Asian region. "Korean Chess" is just an inaccurate (and perhaps, belittling) Western brutalization by those who think mainly in terms of chess. -OmegaMan

I would support renaming the page "janggi" to be consistent with xiangqi, shogi and so forth. I don't necessarily think "Korean Chess" is a belittling Western brutalisation; it's a fairly descriptive term, and we Koreans often call chess "Western Janggi" (without any intent to belittle the game).

I will request the page to be renamed, since I need admin approval to move a page into a namespace which is already a redirect. --Iceager 03:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I am a bit suspect concerning the turn-pass rule. Are we sure this is correct? As it is written now, it only seems to depend on the King having any legal moves, ignoring legal moves of other pieces. This strikes me as weird; I would expect turn passing to be allowed either always, or when forced (i.e. no legal alternative at all, by any piece, but not exposing the King to capture, what we would normally call stalemate). That the phrase "move into checkmate" is part of the definition also doesn't fill me with confidence, as this is completely non-sensical. How can you "move into checkmate"? For checkmate you would have to be in check, and after moving in check, your King will get captured. Not checkmated... H.G.Muller (talk) 11:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image of board incorrect[edit]

The current picture that accompanies the article is a screenshot from Zillions of Games. As such, the pictures of the pieces were probably taken from xiangqi, which is why the shot looks not like actual janggi but janggi played with xiangqi pieces.

Here is what an actual janggi board looks like: [3]

Does anyone have a correct picture of the janggi setup that's in the public domain? --Iceager 03:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have now uploaded a new image, and the problem should be solved. --Iceager 19:19, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nice picture, thanks! Andreas Kaufmann 21:55, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There is a minor problem as of now, the red elephant and the red horse on the right hand side appear to be reversed. Please fix it. If that were the rule, please explain it in the main article. -- Felix Wan 22:40, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)

That is indeed the rule, that you can choose where to put your elephants and horses in the beginning. I'll explain it in the article... --Iceager 15:41, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Felix Wan 21:44, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

To be consistent with other chess-like games (Xiangqi, Shogi, etc.) where the native names are preferred. --Iceager 03:26, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Support - move to Janggi

Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Andreas Kaufmann 11:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
User:Gwalla 21:12, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - leave at Korean chess

Neutral

David Cannon 13:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) - I have no strong feelings either way. "Korean chess" is descriptive is probably better for those not familiar with the Korean name, but I think most people looking it up would be familiar with its Korean name, otherwise they would be unlikely to know about it at all. Either way, I think there should be a redirect page to the one we eventually settle upon.

Vote closed

Discussion[edit]

A Google search shows that the term "Janggi" is far more common than "Korean chess", which suggests that most people know it by the Korean name. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:58, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with David Cannon that there should be a redirect page between the two articles, whatever is decided. Such a link would be automatically created in the course of the move if we decide to move. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Decision[edit]

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 12:38, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Piece fonts[edit]

Hi. I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any fonts that contain the piece characters for Janggi? Particularly the green-side ones with their fancy script. Thanks!

Cleanup[edit]

This article is in need of a rewrite. There are a lot of unsourced statements that sound like original research like this One will often see older men crowding around a single Janggi board while two men play for small amounts of money and the bulk of the article borders on a how-to guide. In addition to that the article spends way too much time simply comparing various facets of it to other games and not talking directly about the game itself.--Crossmr (talk) 11:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

I would be nice if someone could write the IPA pronunciation of the word "janggi". Or, even better, to have the sound like on the Xiangqi page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazaux (talk • contribs) 12:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Images in piece descriptions[edit]

The svg images listed in the description of the pieces, such as and , do not accurately depict the appearance of the pieces (especially the cursive for the blue pieces). This can be confusing to those who do not have a background of hanja knowledge. I propose to replace them with the png equivalents, for example and , until the svg ones get updated to reflect the true appearance. OosakaNoOusama (talk) 02:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]