Talk:Murder of Dru Sjodin

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Do we really need to include that blurb about the black community? It seems out of place here - perhaps in a "Media Racial Bias" page but not on a page commemerating Dru. --Lizzy 21:47, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The Trial[edit]

Today is May 12, 2006, when is this trial supposed to begin? I am amazed at how slow our system moves on cases such as these.

Rodriguez does not maintain that he is "still innocent." He tried to cop a plea deal in the beginning with the Fed's regarding the location of Dru's body, hoping to avoid the death penalty. The Fed's refused, and you know the rest of the story. This was even brought up in court that he admitted that he abducted Sjodin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.129.220 (talk) 05:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Across state line[edit]

The part of the entry about bringing Dru across state lines lacks detail and borders on inaccuracy. Rodriguez was convicted of that, yes, but the evidence showed Dru was alive when placed in the vehicle due to blood splatter evidence of arterial spraying. They could only prove she was alive in the parking lot, not that she was alive when her body crossed the state line. But she was alive when PLACED IN THE VEHICLE used in transporting her, so Rodriguez met the criteria of the law.

The entry, as it was written, implies she was alive when brought across the state line. We just don't know for certain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyHoffa (talk • contribs) 19:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It does imply that she was alive as you state. Would you change the tone of the entry to indicate the uncertainty? Royalbroil 20:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was pre-emptive move already performed, and there's no clear reason to reverse it. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dru Sjodin → Murder of Dru Sjodin — Notability is the event —Artichoke2020 (talk) 19:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support. I would have opposed had you not explained this proposed notability guideline. You're right, she wasn't notable except for her death. Her death made national headlines for a long time which is why the article was added to my watchlist. Her name needs to remain as a redirect to the murder article. Royal broil 20:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

The proposed guideline I am following is Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts). There is a subsection on article title that says:

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In cases where the victim or the perpetrator of a crime does not meet the criteria for an individual article, but there exists sourced coverage of the crime itself sufficient to meet notability standards, the material should generally be presented in an article documenting the crime event and not the people involved. For example, a high profile crime would have an article entitled "Murder of Joe Bloggs", "Disappearance of Jane Doe", etc.

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— Artichoke2020 (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Chanel Petro-Nixon#Similar moves. Andrewa (talk) 17:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposal to delete[edit]

I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion that this page should deleted. News of the abduction, rape, and murder of Dru Sjodin was in the national spotlight for quite some time. Also, with the trial just getting underway now, it would be foolish to delete this article at this time. If Rodriquez is sentenced to death, I would think that the story may again return to the national spotlight. Regardless, this was a very prominent story and the fact that this is a federal trial that could end in the death penalty (the first time in North Dakota in a century) makes Rodrquez a "notable" person. --Matth e wUND^(talk) 06:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dru Sjodin was a notable person. Rodrigues is only notable because of the event of her murder. If Rodrigues had ended up dead in a ditch after the first time he raped a woman, it is likely that nobody would have wasted any ink, newsprint, or keystrokes on the event, other than perhaps some of his family members. Garth of the Forest (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion to merge[edit]

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was stale discussion. See below for fresh merger discussion which led to merging in January 2019.--Muzilon (talk) 01:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article provides nearly the exact information that is found in Murder of Dru Sjodin. Being that that article is called "Murder of . . ." and not just "Dru Sjodin" implies that it is about anything and anyone pertaining to the case. Alfonso Rodriguez, Jr. is yet to be claimed as notable for anything other than this murder. Hellno2 (talk) 13:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Well put. Royal broil 12:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree I agree with UND Matt. Alfonso Rodriguez jr. is notable enough known to have his own article. Being from an area of the country that hasnt had an execution in a century, his notability will increase. --Npnunda (talk) 04:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment See WP:ONEEVENT and WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. Alfonso Rodriguez so far is notable only for this single event. Hellno2 (talk) 21:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Studerby (talk) 19:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would suggest merging the other way (and of course maintain this article as a redirect). Part of the rational is slightly technical, pertaining to categories. We have a large number of categories that really should only be on biographical articles; "Living people" and the birth/death categories are the best examples. There are quite a number of such cats that Rodriguez falls into and to put those cats on a non-biographical article makes a bit of a mess. Also, any categories on the "Murder" article that shouldn't be on the Rodriguez bio can be left on the future redirect page. Studerby (talk) 19:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If this abduction and murder had not occurred, it is likely neither of these two people would have an article written about them, at least at this point in time. We can only imagine what greatness awaited Dru Sjodin had she lived a full and productive life well beyond her 22 years, but sadly thanks to Mr. Rodriguez's actions we will never know. Garth of the Forest (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It appears there were overlapping merger discussions going on both here and at Talk:Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. that were never closed or resolved, with the most recent comments being back in 2015. I have closed both threads and have started one fresh discussion below to avoid confusion. --Muzilon (talk) 12:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposal to merge[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merged: unopposed merger proposal. Muzilon (talk) 23:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Wikipedia needs two separate articles about this case, and would suggest that Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. should be merged here per WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME: "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person." (Cf. Winston Moseley, whose name redirects to Murder of Kitty Genovese.) Starting a fresh merger proposal here as it appears older merger discussions both here and at Talk:Alfonso Rodriguez Jr. lapsed three years ago without being properly closed or resolved. --Muzilon (talk) 11:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: In the absence of any dissenting voice after one month, I shall now proceed with the merge. Muzilon (talk) 22:45, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Withdrawal of Death Penalty[edit]

On March 14th 2023, Attorney General Merrick Garland directed the US Attorney's Office in North Dakota to withdraw the Federal Execution warrant for the convicted killer of Dru Sjodin.

https://www.startribune.com/u-s-attorney-general-drops-pursuit-of-death-penalty-for-dru-sjodins-killer/600258779/ Broker Henry (talk) 02:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]