Talk:Kiyomizu-dera

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Links with possible use in expanding this article[edit]

1. Narrative intorduction, limited critical value?

2. World Heritage Site preservation activities ...?

Just a quick not for later reference. --Ooperhoofd 17:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Potential[edit]

I think this page has a lot of potential, I'm just seeking out reputable sources to use for the information I have from living in Osaka. Those links above are good and I have a couple more. I think the following could be fleshed out:

  • connection with geisha/maiko
  • history
  • UNESCO listing

I plan to work on this article in the coming weeks, am definitely open for suggestions. Travellingcari (talk) 22:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping off[edit]

jump off that the explanation of the expression about jumping off the Kiyomizu platform is too literal. It means to abandon your fears, hesitations and worries and frontally take on some risk where there is no turning back, presumably with good results. That fact that some idiots in the Edo period actually did it is not really the origin or meaning of the expression. Jumping off the Kiyomizu stage refers to the air below, not the ground below. The idea is that you will "fly." It's not that you will survive the bad experience that jumping brings (crashing into the ground), but rather that you will probably succeed and that no bad will happen in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.149.225.240 (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think there needs to be a better source for this section in this page. With the single source alone, it's unclear if the phrase "to jump off the stage at Kiyomizu" is even a well-known Japanese phrase and where the number of jumps and survivals were recorded. Drivec (talk) 03:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New seven wonders[edit]

I took the liberty of adding the fact that the temple was on of the nominees for the new seven wonders, should this be in a new section? I might fix that too...

TheSavageNorwegian 22:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Factual backing of some of the information?[edit]

I went to Kyoto a few days ago and visited Kiyomizu-dera, thinking about how Wikipedia has told me about the three streams conferring different powers. While there however there was a sign posted that explicitly stated that the temple does not officially hold any standing on that, and that the streams were all wish-granting streams, despite people giving the streams different interpretations. I was also informed there that Kiyomizu-dera used to be a common place to commit suicide, so the 85% survival rate posted here seemed kind of awkward. Upon Googling, I found that every website that maintains the streams hold the three different powers and that Kiyomizu-dera had 234 people jump off it during the Edo period, etc., etc., posted pretty much identically, leading me to believe that one site started this false(?) information, someone typed it onto Wikipedia, and other websites copied the information.

So really now, what's actually factual? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.193.9.203 (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Too many images[edit]

The images here are beautiful but as per MOS:DECOR and MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE and also WP:NOTGALLERY. Would it be alright for me to remove 10 or so out of the currently 18 images?

Images should be used in an encyclopedic content, some images here are so similar to one another and doesn't provide any additional encyclopedic purpose but to appreciate the beauty of the temple. I'll take no response as no conflict in this. Danial Bass (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Messy history[edit]

The sentences "Kiyomizu-dera was founded in the early Heian period. By 778, it was owned by the Buddhist Kita-Hosso sect under Enchin Shonin" raise immediate questions. First, 778 is in the Nara Period, not the Heian Period--but the Heian-Period sentence has a citation on it, so I don't want to just change it without having some sense of what that source is saying. Second, the mention of the Kita-Hosso sect in the context of 778 is bizarre considering that the article later mentions that the Kita-Hosso sect didn't split off from Hosso until 1965! At least a little cleanup seems warranted. 2601:180:8301:540:74E0:55AD:205D:4E5B (talk) 05:43, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're right! Thanks for not changing without checking the sources. After some research I've made the changes. It seems there was a misunderstanding of the reading of the source (Enchin only founded the temple in 778, the temple belongs to the Kita-Hosso sect but did not do so at the start). Also, there is no online readable source for the temple being set during the Heian period, so I've brought 2 sources that says the founding was during the Nara period Danial Bass (talk) 13:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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