Talk:John Ciardi

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Birth date[edit]

Can we get his birthdate and the date of his death? -- Jredmond00:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)00:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surname[edit]

Does anyone know how his surname is pronounced so we can write it in in IPA? It is highly ambiguous.-Estrellador* 23:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's chee-AHR-dee, just as it would be in Italian. Wspencer11 18:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: The Italian pronunciation of Ciardi is actually CHAR-dee. The "i" and "a" are pronounced together, not separately (thus the "c" and "i" are not pronounced as they would ordinarily be in Italian as "chee"); "cia" is pronounced as a single syllable, "cha," and Ciardi is pronounced CHAR-dee, as John Ciardi himself pronounced it. Go to Ciardi's poem "A Knothole in Spent Time" in his verse autobiography, Lives of X, to see him explain the pronunciation of his name. Edward Cifelli, 15 November 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Birth place[edit]

There is no place known as "Little Italy" in Boston. There never has been. "Boston's Little Italy" does not exist nor ever has existed. The most notable Italian section of Boston is the North End, but in fact there many parts of Boston where Italians are dominant.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) 

Ther actually ISItalic text a place in Boston called Little Italy. Dont post unless you kmow what youre talking about.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.231.230 (talk) 20:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, there isn't. 2601:188:CE00:4380:29C4:73F1:C368:E1E9 (talk) 03:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current state of article[edit]

While I personally agree with the article as it stands, the fact is that it's pretty POV right now, and it would behoove someone who knows more about him than I do to clean things up some. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; I will POV-mark it--Natcase 06:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, a while ago I added an item to the bibliography (a science fiction short story he wrote under the pseudonym "John Anthony"), but someone deleted it. Any idea why? PapayaSF 16 January 2007

POV issues[edit]

Basically, the added content is great, but we need sources especially for opinions. The context of his fame and declining popularity should not be generic but specific, and referenced. Facts are good to have referenced as well, but especially statements like "He was uniquely talented" and "often an exceptionally fine one" should be framed as quotes from external authorities rather than as the opinion of the encyclopedia. I encourage Alicedilfdrew and others to have at it again!--Natcase 06:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But that's more of a call for better sourced article, not necessarily a NPOV issue. Which specific things are non-neutral? Better citation is needed, but I'm not sure NPOV is suited for this issue given your comments regarding sources. Need for sources doesn't mean a non-neutral article since even if the sources are added in, that doesn't necessarily make the article non-neutral. Neutrality means recognized opinions about the author are given greater weight than fringe opinions about the author (as opposed to equal number of good and bad opinions). That can be done even without sources. Lack of sources raises the issue of verification more so than neutrality. Alternatively, you may have many sources and the article will still have neutrality problems because the sources may be from fringe scholars who are not recognized as authorities about the literary world or Ciardi. --RossF18 (talk) 00:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great deal of editorializing in this article, little or none of it attributed to a source, an absence that suggests it is merely the bias of its authors. 2601:188:CE00:4380:29C4:73F1:C368:E1E9 (talk) 03:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping the previous comments in mind, I wish a heavyweight scholar would contribute...There is no mention that Ciardi briefly hosted his own TV show, Accent. 2Frann89 (talk) 22:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)2Frann89[reply]

Well, here we are four and a half years later, and no serious scholar has stepped up to the plate; I guess there's no point in continuing to monitor this article. I think it's a shame, but I'm not a neutral observer when it comes to Ciardi.2Frann89 (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)2Frann89[reply]

Some new information to add?[edit]

I had a lengthy and pleasant chat with his daughter over the weekend and am wondering how (or even if) I should add information I learned. Does it count as original research? If not how would I cite it? (I have never been any good at dealing with citations here anyway...) --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citation[edit]

Harvard is out of date. 2601:6:1780:DE6:D0D3:693E:3593:219F (talk) 09:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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