Talk:List of ancient Egyptian sites

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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Middle Egypt?[edit]

What is middle egypt? Egypt was only split into Upper & Lower.

That is correct, however from about Al Fayyum to Asyut (200-300Km) you have an area that is not really part of neither Upper or Lower egypt. The term is in use and some even use it all the way down to Sohag/Abydos. Just tab in "Middle egypt" in google and you will see it is in use. And beside that it makes such a large list more managable. Twthmoses 22:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi - I have just wikified the whole list here - just so we know what we are faced with! Is it worth someone writing little descriptions of the areas ? Or even spliting this huge list up even ? i.e. Egypt & Nubia as 2 pages ? Markh 12:27, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

List[edit]

We really need a chronological List of Ancient Egyptian capitals to sort out this mess.--Countakeshi 13:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you say this list is a mess? I find is quite useful. But another list based on chronology, rather than location, could also be useful Twthmoses 18:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is a mess. Several locations are listed twice, and there are inconsistencies in transliterations of Greek and Egyptian names. I second the idea of a list of Ancient Egyptian capitals. Adso de Fimnu 18:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what you are on about ??? List of Ancient Egyptian capitals, what is that?? Capitals of nomes or what?? This list is not a mess, it is quite useful. Please list the problems and we can correct them, useless "locations are listed twice" expression serves nobody. Please list problems. Twthmoses 06:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please calm down. I agree with you that the list is useful, but it makes no distinctions between Ancient Egyptian (that is, before the Greek conquest), Ptolemaic, and Roman sites. Egypt did have several capitals over its long history; such a list would provide a helpful chronology. And the example of repeated location I was thinking of is Nubt-Naqada-Ombos-Kom Ombo. It is listed both in Northern Upper Egypt and Southern Upper Egypt. I am not insulting you; I simply want this helpful resource to be as accurate as possible. Adso de Fimnu 16:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Ombos is listed twice, because they are two separate locations! Ombos (Naqada) is a necropolis and settlement, about 30km north of Luxor (the wiki article incorrectly says 80km). Ombos (Kom Ombo) is a city and temple about 150km south of Luxor. I see you put the merge tag on them. I removed it because they are now the same thing.

I cannot immediately see what there is to gain by sorting this list into dynasties or just separating Ptolemaic and Roman sites. Not to talk about how hard it actually would be to do it. One could make a separate list of what sites the Ptolemaic and Romans has build from scratch (few) and those sites they have added to (many). Such a list could be a nice addition, where one could see where the Romans or Ptolemaic has build.

I still don’t understand that this “List of Ancient Egyptian capitals” is, and what it has to do with this list of Ancient Egyptian sites? If it is captials of the different nomes, then it is here Nome (Egypt). If it is a list of eachs phararos main city, e.g his ruling city, then yes that would be a nice list too. Twthmoses 00:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know this conversation is quite old, but I too think it would be more useful to list them by era than by region alone. That way one could easily compare sites by era and who first built it. Some of us who are studying Egyptian history would like to look up the sites as we are going along. It makes it a bit frustrating having to go through the whole page picking out individual sites. Possibly overlooking important sites as we go along. Maybe have the main lists go by era and then break them up by region within said list?JanderVK (talk) 14:14, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Order[edit]

This list could do with an brush up. It could be ordered by nome ? Markh 17:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List, again[edit]

This isn’t my area of expertise, but can I suggest (if it isn’t too difficult) that we have some more detail about the sites listed here?
For example; what it was, where it was (co-ordinates, nome, present name), and in what period (roughly) it existed.
And (to get over the difficulties of what order to put things in) have it in sortable table form? Moonraker12 (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomes[edit]

I've added a Lower Egypt sub-section for the Nomes maps and list; it was a bit confusing to have the Upper Egypt list against the Lower Egypt map. I don't know waht they were, but I'm hoping someone who does will add them. Is it also worth reversing the order of both, seeing as they appear to number south to north? (I'm happy to do that!) Moonraker12 (talk) 16:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You got this 2601:8C1:8284:4E00:64F3:8A5C:3F64:2FE3 (talk) 16:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dating by nomes, kings, linguistics, historical events; etc

Common practice following Budge "The Nile" Eighth Edition, 1902: List of Egyptian Kings (With Cartouches and Dynasties starting pp 519, going on to "Egypt's Making" Michael Rice, plates 35-75, 1990, Routledge, Wilkinson, Gardiner, many other sources agreeing with the Chronological Table Page 8, starting Late Paleolithic 1650 BC, Naqada to 3000 Foundation of the Egyptian State, Old Kingdom c 2575-2140 Middle Kingdom c 2040-1640, 17th Dynasty (Thebes) 1640-1550, New Kingdom c1550-1070. "Atlas of Ancient Egypt" ISBN O 87196-334-5

The Middle Kingdom includes the 2nd intermediate wherein the Hyksos are expelled by Kamos(Amos) (see Budge for cartouches) and the 18th Dynasty begun from Thebes to control the mortuary trade across the Erythrean Sea using Nub or Nubian Gold, BenJasmine, Frankincense, Myhr, Bitumen, Natron, Cedar, Papyrus, Stone, Ships, extending from Ugarit, Sidon, Tyre, South along the Dead Sea and Coastal routes to Yemen, the Bab al Mandab, the Horn of Africa and the Gulf of Aden across to Hormuz and other trading hubs about 1 geographical degree apart as described in the Periplus of the Erythrian Sea.2604:6000:1513:4FFD:B94D:3055:6FDE:9EDA (talk) 03:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]