Talk:Nicholas Udall

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As I have put notice on the article (Nicholas Udall), this should be merged with content from Nicolas Udall, but must wait as the page cannot be deleted for article history merging due to block compression.

Please do not copy-and-paste the information in the mean-time.

James F. (talk) 20:19, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Although the felony of buggery carried a sentence of capital punishment (by hanging), his sentence was reduced to just under a year in the Marshalsea prison, which suggests that his relationships with the pupils in question had been consensual and that they were over the age of what would now be termed "the age of consent.""

This claim seems tenuous.Firstly, it assumes that early modern views of sexual morality were comparable to modern mores, and that the primary concern of the Buggery Law was to save the very young from exploitation. But it wasn't - as the execution of men like John Atherton and John Childe clearly shows. Age was not of primary concern in the Elizabethan discourse of sodomy: social class (of both parties concerned), religious orthodoxy, and political persuasion were more likely to be the key issues at stake (on all of these counts, Udall - unlike Atherton - could be afforded leniency). There was little concept of an "age of consent" in early modern England - which is not to suggest that there was a sexual free-for-all by any means - and though we cannot know how Udall imagined his own sexual life, it was more likely in terms of classical pederasty than in those of the modern "LGBT" discourse. I would suggest that the second half of this sentence, comprising all the speculation about the nature of Udall's offences should be removed - that is, everything after the words "Marshalsea Prison." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.220.6 (talk) 23:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed "paederast" from the header because that's not what Udall is historically important for, and in that context only smacks of sensationalism. His conduct at Eton and its consequences are more than sufficiently discussed, given the article's overall lack of detail. --Bobbnoxious2 (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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