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I'm not sure it's right to call him Álmos II since it implies he was a king. Wouldn't it be better to name him "Prince Álmos"? Alensha 13:43, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The II is actually an invention of User:Joy, but actually I agree with it, because it is an analogy to George II. Rákoczi etc. who were no kings and where the II is only used to distinguish the identical names...Juro 16:05, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I understand, but nobody calls him Álmos II. "Prince Álmos" would be just as good, since there aren't too many others by this name... and actually, George II Rákóczi was a ruling prince of Transsylvania, even though he wasn't a king, technically he was a ruler. Alensha 22:23, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK, then move it to Prince Almos (although I personally like the "II"). But maybe you should ask Joy first, whether they do not call him Almos II in Croatia... Juro 19:28, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think since the first Álmos wasn't the king of Croatia, this one is either Álmos I of Croatia or just plain Prince Álmos of Hungary. I'm gonna ask Joy. Alensha 17:54, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nah, he wasn't actually a king of Croatia as an entity back then, only of today's Central Croatia and Slavonia. We don't give him the numeral, he's only mentioned in history books as Almoš, Ladislaus' nephew who was instated during the dynastic struggle. The title "Prince Álmos" would work too, and so would "Prince Álmos of Hungary" -- I haven't commented previously simply because I figured you guys would agree on a solution and I shouldn't need to interfere. :) --Joy [shallot] 19:45, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In our history books he's only "Álmos, brother of King Coloman". I checked the List of rulers of Croatia article where he is called Duke Álmos. I think I'll move the article to Prince Álmos. Alensha 15:05, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've also noticed that the first Álmos was a fejerdelem and given that he was before Arpad there should theoretically be no numerals (like with the Gezas), so I've moved that one to High Prince Álmos, too. --Joy [shallot] 20:45, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

He was Prince Álmos. He wasn't king, but his brother was the hungarian king. Toroko (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Álmos wasn't a king of Croatia.. Between 1084 and 1091 he was the duke of Slavonia; between 1091 and 1095 he was named King of Slavonia (eastern Croatia). In 1095 Kálmán (Colomon of Hungary) dethroned Álmos, making him the duke of the apanage Nitrian duchy (Tercia pars regni) instead.

Álmos, supported by Germany and Bohemia, came in conflict with Kálmán in 1098, after Kálmán had declared himself the king of the whole of Croatia in 1097 (crowned in 1102). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.82.115 (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]