Talk:Marie of France, Countess of Champagne

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This article should be moved under Marie of France, since she was not born a Champagne, only became it by marriage. Check the Wiki naning conventions. 62.78.106.199 16:49, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Marie de France[edit]

Of course, this is a debatable issue, since so little is known of Marie de France, the poet. However, I have seen some literature which identifies her as Eleanor's daughter, = this countess Mary. Besides, the countess factually was "Marie de France". Marie Capet is apparently an artificial naming. Some sources are making a temptative identification, some are direct in their allegation. 62.78.106.213 16:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seems unlikely to me. The poetess Marie de France wrote in Norman-French, the language of the English court, not the langue d'oil of continental France. Secondly, the last record of Marie de France is from 1215, while Marie of Champagne died in 1198. Marie of Champagne spent her life in Champagne and Blois, not in England or Normandy. Another identification I've seen is Marie, Abbess of Shaftsbury, the illegitimate half-sister of Henry II of England. Missi 00:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Influence[edit]

The following assertion in the main article is a bit of a cliffhanger. "Marie is remembered today mainly for her role in the heresy that was the target of the Albigensian Crusade. " This surely deserves to be expanded.--DStanB (talk) 12:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Agree with DStanB, this is unsourced but was part of the original creation of this article. The phrase has been replicated throughout the Internet and searches don't turn up much more. Can we get a verification from someone who has access to the listed source materials? Albigensian Crusade has no mention of her. --altjira (talk) 18:38, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not only does the Albigensian Crusade article not mention her, but she died almost a decade before the first military action against the Cathars. Raymond of Toulouse is mentioned in the Albigensian article and he must be a relation of sorts through her grandmother Philippa of Toulouse, but there's no indication that they were friends--or enemies. I think she's remembered mainly today for being the daughter of Eleanor of Aquitaine and the mother of Henri II, king of Jerusalem, who died in that nasty fall from his balcony. That event certainly hastened her retirement to a convent and maybe her death. I agree with DStanB and altjira: delete that unsourced sentence. Dee Fraser 23:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dee Fraser (talk • contribs)

Edits[edit]

I have made a little change to King Richard's name. Maymichael2 (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Am just starting the Women in Red project and looking forward to improving this article in the near future *Yseut229* (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of historical fiction section[edit]

I've removed the section about the subject's portrayal in historical fiction, since it seemed to me to be WP:COATRACKy - it's getting into a tangential subject that is not necessary to understand the article's subject (and is basically a small summary of the book stuck into this article). If the book is sufficiently notable to be mentioned here, it should have its own article and be linked from here. If the book is not sufficiently notable to have its own article, it probably isn't notable enough to be mentioned here either. Since the section's sources consisted of citations of the mentioned books and one book review, I'm leaning toward the "not sufficiently notable" side. The removed section briefly mentioned that one of the seminal biographies of the subject was written by that same author - if that were properly cited, that might be worth a (brief!) mention alongside other similar works. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]