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Previous Picture on Wikipedia - Smiling Butters[edit]

Dear all, does anyone have a previous picture of Butters that was in this article, where he's smiling? In .png or similar format. Thank you for help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cold starlight (talk • contribs) 21:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age[edit]

reverted his age from 9 to 8. although the rest of the boys have turned 9, Butters is still 8 (mentioned as recently as the season 11 episode "Cartman Sucks" when he goes on his little rant at the end). He is slightly younger than the other boys and is probably stuck in "about to turn 9" limbo.

Well Stan is 10 now so I'm sure that means Butters is at least 9 now because their all within a year of age. --69.124.164.51 (talk) 23:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't watch the entire episode, but it appeared as though Butters lost an eye in the first episode of the 8th season. Is that correct? Tuf-Kat 00:33, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

  • Well, yes, shurikens are tough on eyes, but that doesn't mean he won't have two eyes in the second episode. Kenny's still not all that dead.... (Did you miss Cartman's penis?) -- Nunh-huh 00:36, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • I don't recall anything involving Cartman's penis. I will have to wait for a repeat... Stupid job... Tuf-Kat 01:45, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
      • Perhaps that "he was blinded in his left eye by Kenny's shuriken" part should be deleted as he wasn't blinded after all?
        • He got hit in the eye, but in the end he gets it bandanged up and it eventually heals. As for Cartmans penis, he shows it after he walks on stage naked. He does this because he belives he can turn invisible when he is in ninja mode so he takes off all his clothes and tries to sneak across a stage. Halfway through they all see him and he realizes he isn't really invisible. At the town meeting they all act as if it was just liek Janet Jacksons "Wardrobe Malfunction."
  • In Cartman Joins NAMBLA, a man who is with Butters tells the crowd that he found a an eight year old boy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinidu,dealwis (talk • contribs) 08:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

page move[edit]

Is there any real reason to have this article at "Butters (South Park)"? I thought the convention was to have the article at the simplest title possible, and I don't see any reason to add "(South Park)" to this article's title, since this character is the only Butters. Personally, I think the article should be at "Butters Stotch", following the format of Eric Cartman and Stan Marsh... Lachatdelarue (talk) 01:55, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Yes, articles should be at the simplest name, but butters should logically redirect to butter rather than being about a fictional character. -03:06, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
Then let's put the article at Butters Stotch. Lachatdelarue (talk) 03:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • What about calling the article "Leopold 'Butters' Stoch"? That is his real name and it would mirror other pages where the nickname doesn't take over for the real name.Papercrab 07:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Underwear catalogue[edit]

would the sears catlogue in

However, in the episode Proper Condom Use, Butters doesn't know what STDs are (but neither do the rest of the boys, so this can be forgiven) and in Cartman Sucks, Butters seems to be oblivious to what it means to be bi-curious (though in Butters' Very Own Episode, it's implied that he knew after he spied on his father) and doesn't understand the sexual connotations behind underwear when his 'accountabilabuddy' get caught with a Sears men's underwear catalogue from 1979.

have any thing to do with [1]?

Butters and Asperger's syndrome[edit]

You may well consider me the biggest one on the bus for doing this, but the following link is to a thread I started on the Delphi Aspergers and Autistic Adults forum. Hope you find it interesting, because it has to do with whether or not Butters has Asperger's syndrome. JB82 03:22, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Thats extremely interesting you recognized that, and after reading that article Butters does exhibit a few of the symptoms, but also lacks a couple of really important characteristics to be diagnosed. Primarily he does not exhibit "Mind-blindness" and is not "rude" as it seems most people Aspergers seem to exhibit. He also does not seem clumsy, on the contrary he is one of the best tap dancers in the country, a skill that requires great motor skills. I am no expert though so I could be wrong.

He does exhibit the sort of logical thought process described and has obsessive repetitve habits like wring/kneeding his hands together.

The ugly thing about most societies is, people don't like people who are different. Therefore, children with asperger's syndrome would be more vulnerable to abuse, intentional and not, both from other children and even their parents. Therefore, some children with aspergers will exhibit behaviours that might be a result of the condition itself (don't want to be touched because it's physically overwhelming, don't want to play with others because it's confusing), might be the result of abuse (don't want to be touched because it brings up bad memories, don't want to be close because of bad memories). I don't think Butters have Aspergers, he doesn't seem to have any sensory problems (being overwhelmed by the inability to properly filter visual and audio information, physical simulation of any sort), I think, the behaviour Butters exhibit is solely the result of abuse, considering his parents who /sold him to PARIS HILTON/, and that uncle of his, and his classmates... [11:02pm, Aug 3rd, 2007]

I live with someone who has Asperger's, and Butters just doesn't exhibit enough qualities to classify. It's an interesting link and idea, but, no, Butters is not Asperger's in any clear, recognizable way.--74.235.63.68 (talk) 09:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like any other societies, one or two of the children may be an AS type. Have a look at Cartman. He is a fat bully in the suit of a fat bully. So he is a fat bully in the suit of a thin person (the cross episode). I would opiniate that De Valera, Newton and King Charles XII of Sweden were fat bullies in the suit of thin people. However, Butters seems to have a more rigid accent, specially compared to his parents, AND all other kids have a rather non-discript form of US-English way to speak. Butters is that person who does nothing, then to become a workoholic (the Pimp episode). Butters is easily frightened. As for H C Andersen, he was frightened of being buried alive. Though a such fright was common back then, Andersen would be more at it. Say "global warming", and Butters will hide beneath the bed. Even so, I may be easily frightened of things, but I would like it if someone could kindly remind me of it. Is Butters more typical AS than say Cartman?--85.164.220.173 (talk) 22:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Parents[edit]

I don't think they're overprotective. They're strict, but they always blame him for everything when the chance arises. In the episode with the chinese wall around the city, they don't recognize him on first sight. It seems more like they use him to satisfy their sadistic urges.

  • South Park is full of lousy parents, but I really think the Stotches take the cake. How about the time they kept accusing him of making faces when he was just being normal? The paragraph on them really needs to be expanded. -james_anatidae 03:05, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Same with the time he wasn't ranked ugliest in his class and his dad said "Looks like we won't have to ground him this time" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.136.17 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

in the article it says the parents are "Chris and Lynda Stotch", but the link on the bottom links to stephen and linda as the parents. Kgs 08:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Their article says this: "Butters' father's name changes constantly between Stephen and Chris - in Die Hippie, Die, Linda addresses him as Stephen, while in Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset, she calls him Chris. Either one of them could be a middle name, though." Gdo01 08:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


In rhe episode with the new terrence and phillip trailer they cant go to butters' house because he has no babysitter

His Dad's name is 'Chris' not 'Stephan'. It even says so on the official South Park website. http://www.southparkstudios.com/fans/characters/140

"Also known as Chris Stotch or Butter's dad. He's known for his no nonsense approach to parenting." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.168.41 (talk) 22:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veronica Mars section and references[edit]

The very long section about Veronica Mars belongs in an article about that show. It is a minor mention at most for this article. -- Kjkolb 09:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the section into its own article and mentioned the character in the trivia section.

I removed the references because they were clones of Wikipedia, meaning they are copies of this article, though possibly out of date. -- Kjkolb 14:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marjorine[edit]

The most recent Butter-centered episode is "Marjorine",in which Butters is dressed up as a girl and goes to a girls party to find out more about their forunte telling device. His suicide is faked, leaving his parents distraught. Thier psycotic side comes out yet again when they practice pagan rituals, and then proced to chain up their son on return and feed him a dead body.

Professor Chaos[edit]

I think Professor Chaos should redirect to the episode rather than to Butters. Borisblue 15:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


on the issue of PC the article currenty states that it is based upon Dr Doom. i personally think the style of the costume especially the helmet is more remanicent of the marvel supervillan Magneto. is there some original source that states the creater was inspired by Doom or should i go ahead and make note that magneto may also be a source of inspiration?--Dr noire 16:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Butters skills[edit]

I might be wrong, I'm not really addicted to South Park, but I think he goes to a Festival where he shows off his dance skills while singing "Loo, loo, loo" in the episode "Erection Day". This is not listed in the main page.

Surname?[edit]

In Episode 205, Conjoined Fetus Lady, during the intro dodgeball fight Stan calls for "Jordan and Swanson" to come forward, where an unknown kid and Butters come forward. Did Butters have a last name change before he was introduced as a main character? Jgamekeeper 05:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, yes.

  • although this could be explained as either: A) the kid in that episode was NOT Butters; or B) Stan called for "Jordan and Swanson" to come forward, but Butters came forward instead.
    • That was essentially before Butters was developed as a real character. He was still a prop back then and the creators most l ikely just made up a name to stick on him. His last name has been Stotch since Butters' Very Own Episode (Thrawny 04:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

# 7 Episodes where Butters plays an important part[edit]

I think that its needless. Butters is a main character now, so pretty much all recent episodes are ones where he "plays an important part". A simple line indicating this, instead of a list is needed instead. -~~

which episode?[edit]

which episode does Butters tell Stan hes Prof. Chaos?

My Future Self n' Me --Sonic Mew 22:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Butters' Uncle[edit]

It says at that "Butters received annilingus from his uncle" at the bottom of the page. Is this really appropriate? I mean, I'm not doubting this happened (I saw that episode), but at the very least, shouldn't it be reworded? The statement itself implies that Butters, as a minor, wanted it.

What episode was this in? 72.227.133.155 (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Return Of Chef! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.135.116 (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing irrelevant / redundant links[edit]

I'll be removing some irrelevant or redundant links, one section at a time, over the next few days per the Style Manual on Links. Will do one section at a time to avoid reverting anyone by accident. --CliffC 15:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All done; happily it took hours not days. --CliffC 16:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is Butters a parody of Utah State Senator Chris Buttars?[edit]

Hmmm... just a thought...

http://senatesite.com/profile-buttars.php

The creators have said that Butters is based on Eric Stough. The senator is coincidence.(Thrawny 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

when did butters get the picture of john elway[edit]

what episode does he get it. 202.12.144.21 14:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was never shown in the series. The scene was either created just for "Butters Very Own Episode" or was edited out of a previous episode and later brought back. (Thrawny 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Reference to the Death of Eric Cartman[edit]

I feel like Butters' rather horrible experience being anally probed for 14 hours in the episode "The Death of Eric Cartman" should be mentioned, if only in passing. Much of the first part of the article is about how bad things happen to him despire his good intentions and that seems to be the worst so far.Papercrab 07:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Information from Wrong Header[edit]

I removed the following from "Art" and will move it to Prof. Chaos in a different context.

"In one episode, Butters developed an addiction to porn after accidentally viewing a porno movie thought to be the Lord of the Rings. This "darker" side to his wholesome character is hinted at in a few other episodes as well." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.233.22.234 (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Popularity[edit]

"Butters places second only to Cartman as the most popular character on South Park" Where is that coming from? I doubt there's any real way to validate this statement so it should probably be removed. Tweeks Coffee 14:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well obviously "Tweeks Coffee" you would prefer it otherwise, but it just ain't so! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.81.249 (talk) 16:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality[edit]

IN Cartman Sucks he said that he was bi curious

Clearly without understanding that word, though. He's deferring the priest, his father, and the counselors at the church camp, all authority figures who label him that way by mistake.
Butters clearly has no idea what "bi-curious" means. And when he is told he is confused because he is bi-curious, he is literally cofused "what the heck are they talking about". This was the entire gag behind the Butters plotline in this episode, the hes realyl straight but is convinced by others he is bi-curious and does not even know what that means. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thrawny (talk • contribs) 16:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

In regard to Butter sexuality, shouldn't there be some kind of reference to his parents bet about it in "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset"? Edit: Sorry i was of course thinking of their bet in "Raisins". Got them confused on account of his parents being shocked about him having a girlfriend in both.

Reference in first paragraph[edit]

In the first paragraph, the source for Butters' birthday is referenced to another Wikipedia article. I'm not entirely sure about the WP etiquette on this is, so I'm bringing it up here, but it seems very unlikely that it is within wikipedian guidelines to reference another wikipedia article as a source. It would make sense to me to ammend the sentence to read "His birthday is September 11, as revealed in episode "AWESOM-O." Leopold Stotch 20:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • An external reference is better, but you can cite WP. I believe it is somewhere in a beginner's guide or something. Tealwisp (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It seems the birthday has been removed entirely; why... --82.171.70.54 (talk) 19:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In an article where in-universe perspective needs to be kept at a bare minimum, what relevance does this one throwaway comment have? Including such info would also run the risk of having to include original research in order to explain any continuity issues. I've always believed that the show's creators decided this to be his birthday because of the date being fairly synonymous with tragedy these days, and did it as a way of saying that bad luck/tragedy tend to follow Butters no matter what; Butters can't catch a break...a day for celebrating his birth is more associated with a tragic event. But...that's original research. But if a source can be found that would verify that this was Matt and Trey's intention, I would be all for including the birthdate somewhere in the article. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

I think we should remove the screenshots other than Butters having his picture taken in How to Eat with Your Butt, and just use the illustration of him in the lead. --98E 20:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm gonna do it since no one responded, if any problems just revert it though. --98E 21:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should remove the images that have no use. There are three pictures with butters just standing there, but the pictures of him in marjorine and prof chaos should stay. Velocitom (talk · contribs)

the fifth of four friends[edit]

well he is, and i dont think its coinsidental. he is in fact the spare wheel to the group of friends, as shown directly in several episodes. and he is a tolerated but unrespected, unbelonging character, an actual fifth wheel· Lygophile has spoken 11:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Butters is most likely Part German, not Part Belgian.[edit]

Perhaps the king of Belgium is indeed named Leopold (I don't know much about that country, other than that they speak a variant of French) but if you go onto babynames/parenthood.com, (I think that's what it's called), and enter the name "Leopold", along with the meaning and gender of the name, it will tell you its origins. The name originated in Germany.

I am no Vandalizer! That is Slanderous Trash-talk!!![edit]

Who the hell dared to say that? I never once said that Leopold likes to take it in the butt! I never said anything at all about what his sexual interests are, if he has any yet! Don't you ever say that again, Sir James Paul, or you'll become Sir James "Paully-wolly-doodle-all-the-way-to-Hell!!!" The nerve of some people! Okay, maybe I got a little carried away with that outburst, but that was really offensive, what you said. Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you had been simply reverting what the vandalizer had done, back to the way I had had it! When I read the part "Identified as vandalism to last revision by Wilhelmina Will" I presumed you meant that the vandalism to the last edition had been done by me! But after seeing similar summaries over a course of time, I finally realize that I was wrong. And no, you don't have to worry about becoming "Sir James Paully-wolly-doodle-all-the-way-to-Hell" anymore. Sorry. Wilhelmina Will July 18th, 2007.

Not the best article[edit]

I think this needs to be completely overhauled and streamlined. It's nothing but example, source, example, source all the way through with little introspective as to the nature of the character. It makes it a task just reading it. User:anonymous user August 13th, 2007.

It's a task to read any lengthy article! (Especially out loud; it makes one thirsty.) The whole point of creating an article is to make sure it's content gets as far extended as possible, while still following the Wikipedia guidelines. I personally see nothing different about this article. Wilhelmina Will 01:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup needed[edit]

Butters_Stotch#Talents_and_interests needs a lot of work. It's indeed trivial: and people refuse to believe it (which ends up with the tag being removed). A section doesn't need to be named trivia, to be a trivia section. Anyway, the section is basically a detailed guide to many things Butters has done. Which are notable or not? Wikipedia isn't a guide to every little note, so the section needs some condensing at the least. RobJ1981 11:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We'll all work on condensing it, I'm sure, but in regards to what you said about naming a section "Trivia", I have this to say: Oh yes it does!!! Wilhelmina Will 18:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup completed. My only request is that if you add something, make sure it flows well with the paragraph. Also only add major things that significantly impact the description of the character. (Thrawny 21:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Why must you be such a deletionist? Do you realize how large that section of text was and how much information it had? So what if the info was about specific instances? Could you not rename the section as a "trivia" section"? The info was completely competent. --Wykypydya (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't delete the trivia section, I actually tried to defend it. In hindsight, I think it might be for the best and we should try to incorporate some of the info from the trivia section into the main parts. Thrawny (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...[edit]

"Butters has had two face-offs with the Yajuta from the Predator franchise and their will be a future episode with him face to face with it. (He will be killed off for a season, like Kenny McCormick. This is planned for Season 13 or 14."

Uh, no. (Not unless there's actually proof, that is.) Who wrote that? :/ 24.58.143.68 (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno, but it sounds friggin' awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.87.94 (talk) 02:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Character history[edit]

In "Marjorine", the group fakes his death by tossing a pig (from a butchers) wearing his clothes off a building. Then, they dress Butters as a girl and have him sneak into a sleepover under the name Marjorine in order to obtain the girls' future telling device (which is actually a folded paper cootie catcher).

Is this part really necessary? The rest of the section seems to describe his overall personality and character evolution, whereas this just points out the plot of a single episode - at the very most it reiterates a point that has already been made. I move to strike. Phoenix1304 (talk) 08:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Naivety[edit]

I would like to add the following:

  • Being one of the more naive boys, Butters exhibits some signs of sexism. this can be seen in the episode Lice Capades, when after Craig suggests that it could've been a girl who was infected with lice, he shouts "Yeah, dumb girls". Also, in the episode Breast Cancer Show Ever, Butters constantly wants Cartman to "kick Wendy's ass", though he may have been trying to encourage Cartman to fight Wendy so that Eric would get his ass kicked.

Also, at the end of the section "Character History", its mentioned that Butters fakes suicide in the episode "Marjorine". This really doesn't describe Butter's character development in South Park, and I think should be moved to his Personality, describing how easily he can be taken advantage of. --AznWarlord (talk) 02:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To demonstrate sexism, you'll need to propose more cases. The "dumb girls" thing is pretty typical of any 8/9 year-old boy, and vice versa; Breast Cancer Show Ever was a time when kids would naturally take sides. In general, "sexism" is pretty normal for young children. Also, your edit misspelled "naivete." Tealwisp (talk) 06:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't encouraging girls and boys to fight each other a sign of equality anyway?Yobmod (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


character development[edit]

I think the article can expand more on the development of the character. I remember in hooked on monkey fonics he was just portrayed as one of the schoolyard kids, taking part in picking on the home school kid and even claiming he would kic kyle's "bitch ass" and it all seemed perfectly natural. It was only later that the character took on this sort of naive, kind hearted, ignorant role. The character I think has changed drastically to fit the needs of the show, without any real explanation.

Where did the name "Butters" come from?[edit]

Is this explained in any episode? 98.224.64.222 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I always thought it was a play on words, butters stotch, butterscotch?--98.211.168.99 (talk) 01:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image swap[edit]

MOS/fair use guidelines suggest a max of 2 screenshots per article; I replaced his "yearbook" image with a screenshot of the opening sequence still that can also be seen in the infobox of the "Butters' Very Own Episode" article. I see this as illustrating a more notable aspect of his character; the fact that he once had an entire episode dedicated to himself after his popularity had risen, versus the importance of what he looks like when he combs his hair. Also replaced the Professor Chaos image with one that's slightly better quality. As always...thoughts, gripes, suggestions, etc. please. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Butters died[edit]

Butters is dead. He died in the first half of season thirteen finale. He was sniped by combined U.S. and British snipers, why no mention???

Newchowder (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, he clearly is still standing when the show switches to credits. "Do not hit the white ones!" was a direct order given by the officer in charge on the boat which all soldiers complied to. 82.113.121.144 (talk) 21:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Oh, o.k. It previously said on the Fatbeard page that he was shot as well. Sorry.

Newchowder (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid topic. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I just saw the episode AWESOM-O (S8). There butters himself states that his birthday is september 11th. Could somebody check this out and maybe it could be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.111.73 (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His 'sphincter' problem[edit]

  • spoilers*

In the episode "Awesome-O", Cartman pretends to be a robot and pretends to be a gift from Japan to Butters. He asks Butters if there are any secrets of his that he would like to share with him (sense robots do not make fun of or give away secrets, he says.)

And Butters tells him that he has a medical problem that makes it difficult to control his sphincter. Which means that not only does he need a certain pill applied anally every day, but he sometimes poops his pants and must wears diapers to school. This is what Butters says, anyway.

Later in the episode, Butters forces Cartman to give him that pill he was talking about, but other than that one scene, I've never seen any other instance where Butter's sphincter problem is even remotely hinted at. So I don't know how much of it is considered official cannon. Because if it IS, then I think it's major enough of a physical trait to mention it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.166.20 (talk) 02:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Best South Park Character[edit]

surely there should be a huge section about being the best south park character. this should be clearly at the top of the page and form a huge part of this artcile as it is neither POV/speculation or just wrong its scientific fact. any child can proove this using a sun dial, a bunsen burner, h2o, some litmus paper and a copy of the national enquirer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.136.80.78 (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Breakout character?"[edit]

The opening paragraph claims Butters as the show's "breakout character", followed correctly so by a "citation needed". Can this opinion of Butters not be stricken? Over the duration of the show, Cartman would be seen as the breakout character (if anyone at all could be, that is; who would you consider the breakout character of say, The Simpsons?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oz Man Can (talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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In-universe style[edit]

In [March 2017] a template was added on top of the page saying that the article has to be rewritten because it "describes a work or element of fiction in a primarily in-universe style". I have not compared the version back then with the present version, but after having read the Manual of Style section about this I think the statement is exaggerated:

  • The lead says, "He is a student at South Park Elementary School", which could be considered 'in-universe style', but as the previous sentences already establish that he is a fictional character, voiced by some-one etc., I think is perfectly clear in this context. The same applies to "Butters is depicted as ..." followed by "As a result, he is often sheltered ... an the victim of abuse ...". It is not really useful to repeat the fictionality of a character in every sentence, is it?
  • The "Role in South Park" section has several sentences who could be deemed 'in-universe' but the reader is reminded about reality not only by the section's title but also by phrases like, "When the character of Kenny McCormick was temporarily written off the show", several references to Seasons which naturally are parts of a TV series and not of real life.
  • The "Personality and traits" section starts with two 'in-universe' sentences, but goes on with analyses by real-world reviewers.

I think a template like this is not meant for marginal cases like this. Bever (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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