Talk:Nena

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I don't understand why the name/word Nena must initially reference to the singer and can't just itself by a page that links to all likely references. For example, NENA stands for two organizations that are in the United States and Canada. I would not be so insistent had I not seen that location names such as Regina functions itself as a page that links to many other sites.

What makes it different in the case of Nena Kerner being automatically referenced to as Nena reference immediately to her? Did she save the world?? Does see have an organization founded to help people?? I don't believe that a name such as Nena should be referenced solely to a singer at first link and not itself function as a link to many pages. To live it this way would be a disgrace to the organizations and other individuals that also possess this name. My words of Martin Luther King Jr. ring out "I believe all (wo)men are created equal)". Daniel

At first NENA and Nena are two different articles, thus the two organizations can go there easily. The reason why this article is not at Nena Kerner is simply that her stage name (and thus the name she is prominent with) is Nena, only very few ever heard about her last name. andy 18:37, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Let us not forget as the page itself says Nena Kerner was not even her original name. Indeed, there are more than one person known as Nena it must immediately link to Nena? Going to back to the name Regina, there is essentially only one, the one in Regina, Saskatchewan however, it itself functions as a linking page which would also be exactly what this one would function as. Perhaps referring to her name as Nena and Nena Kerner within her description on the page would be the best option. Any conflicts in this logic, and why? Daniel

Nena Kerner is not her name for sure, either Nena or Susanne Kerner. But as she is famous with her stage name, we should use that one. So either the article should be at Nena or Nena (singer). The decision whether Nena should be the page about her, or if Nena should be a disambiguation page is more difficult to decide. It simply depends on whether the other possible meanings of Nena are similar well known, or are obscure ones only known to few. At least here in Germany Nena almost always refers to the singer, thus the original Nena (disambiguation) was the better way to do it. The fact that 100% of the links to Nena mean the singer can be hint of the importance. Nevertheless - a list of famous people with first name Nena don't belong there for sure, Regina also don't list those who had Regina at their first name. andy 19:24, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Now I think I know where you are coming from. Since this is the English version of wikipedia, it would seem only fair that the word Nena function as ambiguation page to all possible individuals/organizations that Nena would refers and since she is so well known in Germany would also be referred to as Nena (Nena Kerner) on this page. You may be right about the [[Nena (Singer)] part but I did some research before I did the rename for example, look her up in Music Mozilla and much of what's mentioned in the article is also found under Nena's biography as well. In essence my change was informed, just not done in proper protocol.

As for the German version of wikipedia of the name Nena, it would be perfectly acceptable that Nena would simply refer only to her since the other possible meanings of Nena on this page, that I added, refer only to English individuals and organizations. I also want formally apologize for not simply moving the page (I didn't see that as an option at the time) as opposed to the cut and paste that I did, I am relatively new to the system and ask for forgiveness from those whom I may have offended in the process. Daniel.

Of course I am biased as Nena was (is) much more famous here. However again - are any of the other meanings similar well-known as the singer? Aren't they abbreviated NENA? Or did she use Nena Kerner as stage name outside Germany (I doubt it)? As all links to Nena refer to the singer we don"t need to hurry to move the article - maybe someone else might want to comment first. At least if we move it we need to move it with the "Move this page", and change all links linking here (including the interwiki one from the german wikipedia). andy 20:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Okay, we'll wait for more input, but my last comment here would be with more of a global English prospective, as this is the English version, which could also be noted by the several English people that I had added to the entry with the name Nena. As your singer is popular in your country (Germany), so are the individuals (which I noticed you had deleted when reverting to the other format) and organizations I added are popular in their own country (Australia, Canada, USA) which reflect the global prospective that I believe is the mandate of wikipedia. Daniel.

Nena was famous outside Germany as well - it even had an english version of 99 red balloons. I don't think those organizations are same well-known, but I just think, don't know it for sure. And we should not see it US-centric either. However those I deleted were people who have "Nena" as their first name, those really don't belong here, same as we don't need a list of people with first name "Joe" either. Don't forget, Nena is the full stage name of the singer. andy 21:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Nena is the stage name for a German pop singer from the 80s. Acronyms belong at NENA. There is no need to turn this into a disambiguation page. Maximus Rex 03:43, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The issue still stands, there is more than just the Nena than you know of, just like there is more than one Regina. It should be disambigation page that is FAIRLY representative, and in it's current form it is biased and representative only of Germany. Notice if I look up the word Nena NeNa, nena in [Google] it outputs the same results anytime which, contrary to how you may feel about the issue, is how a lot of users think not everyone is "techie" and nor should they be.

In addition, if Nena is as popular as you believe her to be, why is she given precedence when she doesn't even have an English version of her website which the sites I added do, and Nena was neither her original name. Other popular individuals named Nena (including an artist) were added by me, and deleted by you which further proves the existing bias. Leave the name as is and wikipedia is also biased not free (as in free speech, and fair representation) which makes it no more unique than any encyclopedia in existence today. As I said before all people are created equal, and as such should be represented equal. If people come find out about Nena they will click the link to her right away. You are just scared of fair representation for who knows what reason. Just because you feel she is more famous and uses Nena as her stage name that she has earned the right, which may be true for the German but isn't for the English. I will leave the discussion because further argument will only prove how much deeper your bias goes and you may leave it this way anyway, so the bias also goes to wikipedia. Sad I thought wikipedia was better then that, I guess I was wrong.Daniel

Again, those organizations you want at Nena are all abbreviated NENA, not Nena - and 50% of the first 10 google hits are about the artist as well. Other example: Nasa vs. NASA - the first one does not exist, and if it were an artist known only in Germany the same disambiguation headerline would be enough as well. Finally the only reason why the city Regina is at Regina, Saskatchewan instead of Regina is simply that in US/Canada cities are usually cited with the state - which makes Regina the obvious choice for the disambiguation. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with the article about the singer being located at Nena (Singer), I just don't think it is necessary. andy 16:33, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Let me see if I get this straight, wikipedia is representative of Germany only? Too bad the title of the site doesn't say that, pretty confusing. Another page that bears testimony to this page being a disambiguation page is that of Python which gives equal weighting to the movie, the programming language, and the character. As such, this text is meant to lead to the same conclusion, meaning that even people with the last name Nena should be given consideration. I don't think there is much more that can be said on the side of fair representation then this. Or as the introduction to Wikipedia states "Avoid bias. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, which means that articles should represent differing views on a subject fairly and sympathetically." Which this page fails to honour in it's current form. Daniel.

I get tired of wasting my time in this discussion, it's really not worth because you seem to be determined to turn this into a disambiguation no matter what. I still haven't seen any meaning of the word "Nena" which would valid a disambiguation at all, the organizations abbreviated NENA don't count as NENA is not the same as Nena. Is there a programming language called Nena? A movie character in any well-known movie? But wait, it has a "Nena creek" somewhere in Oregon. But even that would go to Nena Creek, and does not valid a disambiguation at this space. And all this has nothing to do with german bias or not. Why don't you first write articles about the NENA organizations if you consider them so much important to be listed in this disambiguation? Writing contents should be priority here, not discuss endlessly about minor naming things. If you want to here more community words about this, try to post this question in the Village Pump. Or ask for a poll on how this page should be named. Or move it and wait till someone else catches the bait and starts a move-and-edit war with you. andy 21:33, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The current disambiguation works for me; an in-context link for Nena and a disambiguation for the uppercase NENA. Actually I'm just doing a drive-by throwing my two cents in, what I really want is a different picture. The one shown here is just ... frumpy. I'd also like to see some discussion on NDW which Nena played a big role in, and of the lyricist for the original 99 luftballoons song - I understand up until his recent tragic death he'd played a pretty significant role in the German Pop music scene. Haverberg 05:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with andy on this one. The current disambiguation makes perfect sense, as Nena is not an acronym, whereas NENA is. The singer is more known in America than the org as near as I can tell (I never once have heard anyone mention Nena and not mean the musician). I see no need for change. Schnabeltier Angriff 21:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Unfinished sentence

In 2002, Nena celebrated her 20th stage anniversary with the album "Nena feat. Nena," a CD of s

I don't know what this sentence stands for.. I guess it could be

"a CD of songs something..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.136.48 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

a CD of s**t might be another possibility — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:4280:A710:891D:4366:645E:7CD9 (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Image

Could we just have an image of Nena and have an image of her band separately?- JustPhil 01:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Discography

As far as I know "The Stripes" was the Album of the band "The Stripes", where Nena was the front singer, but it's not a album of her. So I'm not sure if it should be added to her list.

No, it should be. Half of the Members of The Stripes formed Nena, and songs from The Stripes were released in nena's Definitive Collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.228.133 (talk) 01:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Amazon link

I deleted the link to Amazon for two reasons. One, I'm not sure it belongs here at all. Second, it wasn't actually going to Amazon but someone's affiliate store. Uncool. If someone wishes to make money (though lord knows how much he's getting from wikipedia referrals) he should advertise on his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.139 (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hagen or Breckerfeld?

This article says Nena was born in Hagen. Its counterpart on German Wikipedia says she was born about 10 miles south of there in Breckerfeld. What is the truth? Michael Hardy (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I find this answer on the discussion page to the counterpart of this article on German Wikipedia:

Auf ihrem letzten Konzert in Hagen am 18. August 2007, hat Nena erwähnt, dass sie nicht in Hagen, sondern in Breckerfeld geboren ist. Sie ist lediglich in Hagen aufgewachsen. (Der vorstehende, nicht signierte Beitrag stammt von 87.234.109.222 (Diskussion • Beiträge) --Baumfreund-FFM 05:58, 24. Aug. 2007 (CEST))

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Hardy (talk • contribs) 23:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Life is too complicated...

A discussion of this point is evolving over at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Nena. I think Hagen may be the correct birthplace after all. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

• Policy is quite strict that biographies of living persons should not give any personal details (such as place or date of birth) unless they can be securely referenced to reliable sources: the article should mention neither Hagen nor Breckerfeld until one or the other is verified. --Paularblaster (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion:

"Nena (born Gabriele Susanne Kerner on March 24, 1960 at the "Marien-Krankenhaus" in Hagen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany) while her parents lived in nearby Breckerfeld." Ref.: [1]

Regards, --Floridianed (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think citing her book would be better. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Nena word in the RAE's dictionary

The dictionary of the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española" says about the word "nena" [2]:

nene, na. (Voz infantil). 1. m. y f. coloq. Niño de corta edad. 2. m. y f. coloq. U. como expresión de cariño para personas de más edad, sobre todo en la terminación femenina. 3. m. irón. Hombre muy temible por sus fechorías.

Into English:

nene, na. (infantile word). 1. m. and f. coloq. Young boy or girl. 2. m. and f. coloq. As an expression of affection for people of more age, mainly in the female. (Like "baby" in English). 3. m. ironically. Very frightful man by its misdeeds.

Ascosphaera (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Nena is the Catalan word for little girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.17.207.58 (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

you're missing the obvious. she was from the town of HAGEN, in a country with a big star named NINA HAGEN. she just took a variation on that as a bit of a joke. 173.9.95.217 (talk) 19:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Blocked again

User:212.30.31.36 has kept returning to this article adding statements to the effect that Nena died in 1999. She is in fact alive and well. I've just blocked that IP number. Michael Hardy (talk) 14:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Two kinds of albums

Should we have separate lists of albums intended for children, and other albums? I think she's done ten of the former. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Heritage?

Someone should add this to the article. As an aryan german it is quite ovious that Nena is not a native German and comes from somewhere else (Juden).Look at her dark featuren like skin and hair and eyes. Maybe she are from east or south europe but she is not german in heritage but she was born here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicjuanjuan (talk • contribs) 06:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

You'd need to cite a source. Her father came from a Catholic family in the easternmost part of Germany---I think maybe the part that became part of Poland after WPII. Her mother is from western Germany. Her late paternal uncle Franz Kerner was a Catholic priest. Michael Hardy (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Who cares, Magicjuanjuan? There is not and never was such thing as an "Aryan" race. That was a fiction invented during the Third Reich and has been thoroughly discredited by reputable anthropologists. —Quicksilver^{T @} 03:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Serbian origin

I've heard on one famous Serbian radio station that Nena has roots from Serbia, so can anyone check it and add to the article. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.27.140 (talk) 08:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing to add to the article in this circumstances because that's very far from being true. Maybe Snežana Berić called Ekstra Nena or Extra Nena, who started at the Eurovision Song Contest in 1992, is the person you are mixing up with Nena.--Losdedos (talk) 17:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Out-of-date information?

This article says:

The couple and the four children currently live in Hamburg.

The fact that Nena found out via a phone call in June 2009 that her daughter is four months pregnant[3] seems like a reason to doubt that her daughter is still living under Nena's roof. (And what of the daughter's 19-year-old twin brother?) Michael Hardy (talk) 12:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

HTML tables mangled

An anonymous editor in Austria apparently attempted to add the 2010 release of the single called "Du bist so gut für mich" to the table of solo singles, and somehow mangled the format. Could someone adept at editing HTML tables add that? Michael Hardy (talk) 07:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Osho

The article says this:

"She has developed an interest in the teachings of Indian mystic Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) in recent years, and practises his meditation methods, an impression of which is featured in the "Wir sind wahr" video.

Should the article mention the incident where some journalist reported that she had joined Osho's sect and she quickly issued a public denial? Michael Hardy (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

@Michael Hardy: Indeed, Nena released a public denial on the same day of the cited Die Welt publication (26 September 2009), here you are: Hörn se mal (translated). Here's also the Bild issue which quotes her statement: Popstar Nena ist kein Sekten-Fan. (It's not that Bild.de itself is reliable, but Nena.de surely is, on this matter). I think it's time to remove the whole thing from the article, and remove rather than rewrite, since this rumor doesn't seem to be still circulating anywhere except the Osho fan sites. — Mike Novikoff 22:40, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Drugs

What about her problem? 79.243.205.110 (talk) 10:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Armpit Hair

There should be some mention of the fact that she didn't shave under her arms. My understanding is that this was normal or at least acceptable in Europe at the time. But it was definitely not acceptable in the US. It definitely had an effect once people in the Americas became aware of it, though the extent of the effect is difficult to calculate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.227.215.249 (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

'not acceptable' to who? Feel free to document this in the article, with citations from reputable sources. Guffydrawers (talk)

name pronunciation

hi. could someone include in the article how 'nena' is pronounced? during the '99 red balloons' period, the djs in my region said, 'NAY-nuh'. on youtube there's an interview from a few years ago where the dude, a german-speaker, if not a native one, keeps calling her 'NEE-nuh', and she makes no sign that anything's wrong. then, listening to a live clip from the early '80s, after the song ends, the crowd (a german one, i think; she's speaking german to them between songs) starts chanting what sounds like, 'NINE-uh, NINE-uh, NINE-uh'. it would be helpful to we 'foreigners' if the definitive pronunciation were in the article. thanks. 63.142.146.194 (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Some time ago I made a modification to the IPA: (cur | prev) 23:41, 3 September 2017‎ 80.187.108.12 (talk)‎ . . (32,449 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (corrected IPA. First vowel is as in "bed", and long. eg as the first sillable in Leder (leather) ref. I'm a German native speaker. Cf. the identically pronounced name Lena: https://de.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lena) (undo) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit) I thus changed the prounciation to [ˈneːna].

However my change was reverted back to [ˈnɪna] soon after: 11:34, 8 September 2017‎ Duncan R2 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (32,448 bytes) (-1)‎ . . (Undid revision 798812042 by 80.187.108.12 (talk) Nena herself pronounces the first vowel as in "seen" - reference her 2016 single "Berufsjugendlich") (undo)

I am not a huge fan and do not have in-depth knowledge, but Nena is a well-known artist in Germany, so here is my take: - It seems that in the single "Berufsjugendlich", Nena seems to refer to herself as [ˈnɪna], though ɪ and e can be quite close in German depending on one's individual pronunciation. Not being a fan or music expert, I can't provide any additional resources where she refers to herself using her name. - To my knowledge, here in Germany "Nena" is referred to as [ˈneːna] in 99%+ of cases, also by interviewers and music industry/media people. On youtube, you will find uncountable interviews and even authorized documentary (where she is followed by a camera team) where she is introduced to and referred to as [ˈneːna], so it seems obvious that this is the usual term of reference. To my knowledge, in Germany, everyone will know who [ˈneːna] is, but not who [ˈnɪna] is supposed to be. Given that Nena is German and lives in Germany, this cannot be wholly discounted on the grounds that it is normal that artists's names are often (mis-)pronounced according to the respective country's pronunciation preferences. If it is true that she is mispronounced in her own country in 99% of cases and never corrects, not even in licensed documentaries, this is worth mentioning. - It is also worth mentioning that the German Wikipedia page lacks information on this subject. - Also, current [ˈnɪna] might be not as correct as [ˈnɪːna]. 80.187.109.114 (talk) 14:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

First of all, the vowel, as Nena herself pronounces it, is definitely as in "seen", not as in "bed". I haven't yet heard the single "Berufsjugendlich" (is there any difference from the album version?), but it's already clear enough in the title track of the Oldschool album.

Secondly, her nickname comes from Spanish, not from German. And in given context it's not a regular word or a common name, but an individual nickname acquired in the early childhood, so some individual rule (or exception) may apply rather than those of any existing language. For instance, people in Russia often pronounce [ˈnɛna], so as not to confuse it with a common name Nina, but it's just based on spelling and is totally wrong. It only emphasizes the need to introduce the correct pronunciation in an encyclopedia.

I'm not an expert in IPA and not quite sure whether it should be written as [ɪ] or [iː] or something else. However, my variant [ˈnɪna] is based on listening to OGG samples provided in Help:IPA and comparing them to the above-mentioned title track of "Oldschool". — Mike Novikoff (talk) 04:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Try this interview with her on Youtube Nena - Interview - mag's. Throughout the clip her name is pronounced with an IPA 'e', the usual German pronunciation. At 11:51 she says the name herself ("da kommt jetzt nicht die Nena, die irgendwie..."). To my ears a clipped 'e', and definitely not an 'ɪ'. Plenty of other interviews on YT exhibit the same pronunciation, e.g. Nena wird 55 Nena - Interview - RBB at 2:55 Guffydrawers (talk)

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