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The Cain/Abel infoboxes[edit]

They seem rather pointless to me, and I think the article would look slightly better if we removed them. We can keep the images. Opinions? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is KJV version better in this article?[edit]

See [1]. Opinions, editors? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I meant to write "Thanks for writing a WP:ES" in my editsummary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a KJOM argument. There may be times when there's a good reason it use it, but those are exceptional and I wouldn't use it. Doug Weller talk 21:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Video game references (command and conquer)[edit]

https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Kane https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Cain command and conquer Tiberium storyline has references to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.80.53.91 (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! The threshold for inclusion is that the appearance of (and biblicalness of) C and/or A in this game has been noted in a WP:Reliable source independent of its maker. This excludes usergenerated stuff like wikis (fandom), selfpublished stuff like blogs etc (see WP:USERG and WP:SPS). A decent book, magazine or newssite/paper could be good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

each of his own produce[edit]

This information is not precise enough for the lede. Able made a sacrifice of the firstborn of his sheep, which is a meat sacrifice, not produce Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 21:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wiktionary: "Harvested agricultural goods collectively, especially vegetables and fruit, but possibly including eggs, dairy products and meat; the saleable food products of farms." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but you are simply mistaken to use Wiktionary to justify the word "produce" here. The import and meaning of Abel's offering cannot be understood unless it's made more clear. Please read this:

Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man." Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. (Genesis 4:1-5)

Read more here: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1831/cain--abel/ Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And the body of the article makes that clear. The lead is meant to summarize, and "produce" helps. I don't mind removing "each of his own produce" though, the lead works without it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you are willing to remove "each of his own produce" , I ask that you do so. Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done, we'll see if it "sticks". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 19:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Hevel" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Hevel has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 18 § Hevel until a consensus is reached. J947 † ^edits 03:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why did God prefer Abel’s sacrifice over Cain’s SeekingMindinMud (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating jealousy between two siblings by having a preference seems odd. Shouldn’t God like both sacrifices since they are his children (as we are all)? Does he not love them equally? I’m very curious to find out how God may have been the first motive for the first murder! Peace and love! 🙏🏾❤️ SeekingMindinMud (talk) 02:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Undue content for the lede.[edit]

The recently inserted paragraph primarily consists of speculative interpretations from few scholars and thus not suitable for the lede. The content as it is in the Origins section is ample and satisfactory. StarkReport (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]