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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Tomorrow's FA

We've got a disagreement over "The Nicoll Highway collapse occurred" vs. "The Nicoll Highway collapsed". Thoughts? PInging Dying and Ravenpuff. - Dank (push to talk) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

For TFA purposes, I would favour the concision of the latter. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Agree with HJ. Z1720 (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The Nicoll Highway collapsed in Singapore on 20 April 2004... wouldn't work: it's only in Singapore, so where else would it collapse? Also, its name is duplicated a few words on, so some more adjustment is needed. I suggest: The Nicoll Highway in Singapore collapsed on 20 April 2004 when a Mass Rapid Transit tunnel construction site caved in, crumpling the highway near the Merdeka Bridge. Bazza 7 (talk) 13:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

For my part, I thought that it would be preferable to use the article title verbatim, since it's possible to do so here and it would provide maximum WP:LINKCLARITY. If we use the second (verb) form, we shouldn't include "The" at the start to conform with the grammar in the rest of the blurb. I don't have strong feelings about which form we use, but (pace Bazza 7) I wouldn't restrict the bolded link to a single word, as I don't think that would give enough emphasis to the featured article and would be bad link clarity. Also, I seem to remember from editing TFA in the past that not putting the bolded link first might break something somewhere. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Bazza, thanks for pointing out the redundancy of mentioning the highway's name twice in quick succession ... but there's a different fix available for that, we can just change the second Nicoll Highway to the highway (and I'll do that now). On the first point, we've been down this highway, so to speak. The first link has to be bolded and point to the featured article. For some highway TFAs, I've suggested things like "In Singapore, the Nicoll Highway collapsed ..." in the past to try to deal with the problem you're raising, and the vote was almost unanimously against me. I'll dig up the last discussion if you like, it was some Michigan interstate. I have no preference between "The Nicoll Highway collapsed" and "The Nicoll Highway in Singapore collapsed" (and I don't know the rule on whether to bold "The"). - Dank (push to talk) 13:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

On Ravenpuff's point about "Nicoll Highway" vs. "the Nicoll Highway": the article is thoroughly inconsistent. It's a mess. - Dank (push to talk) 13:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

As the TFA nominator and the one who contributed most to the article, I prefer the original form (just The Nicoll Highway collapse occurred...) over the latter. I personally believe we can't just be concise for concise sake. And "Nicoll Highway" vs. "the Nicoll Highway", the former is more often used in local context, and there had been a debate in the FAC nomination about it, but eventually decided not to put "the" before Nicoll Highway. Admittedly, I might have missed some instances in the re-edits and so on, or kept some instances to refer to the collapse (i.e. The Nicoll Highway collapse and not just The Nicoll Highway).

But I'm rather open to Bazza's suggestion: "The Nicoll Highway in Singapore collapsed on 20 April 2004..." or Dank's most recent suggestion. Though it might be a bit odd to bold in Singapore" as well.--ZKang123 (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Another thought: I find the use of "crumpling" a bit odd for a reason. I understand its to prevent repetition but I'm wondering if there's a better wording for it.--ZKang123 (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm with Ravenpuff and ZKang on the original question. "The Nicoll Highway collapse occurred..." is best for bold linking and matches the article. On the second issue, also in agreement. "Crumpling" suggests a particular type of collapse that isn't supported by the article or source. The latter describes it as "substantial damage" so we could just say "damaging" or even "destroying" if either of those work.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I made a quick call on this so that we won't be voting on too many issues at once: I changed "crumpling" to "near". Feel free to revert if that doesn't work. - Dank (push to talk) 15:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Since opinions are going both ways on every question, I'll need to see I'd welcome more votes here (otherwise any edits that I or anyone else makes will just be a guess). - Dank (push to talk) 15:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dank: Thanks for asking. I'm very happy with this revision. Bazza 7 (talk) 16:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, Bazza is on board with "The Nicoll Highway collapse occurred in Singapore". I'm fine with that. (My copyeditor sympathies are with the 3 votes for "collapsed", but there are other factors that make it a 50-50 call for me. I originally went with "collapse", btw.) - Dank (push to talk) 16:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Possibly not a popular opinion on here ("WP:OWN!!"), but in cases where there are lots of different opinions with no clear consensus, I'd be inclined to just defer on style questions to the nominator. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Just speaking personally, I'm concerned about what's happening in 2024 on Wikipedia and in the world. I worry that copyediting and reviewing is harder than it used to be, and that there's a greater risk of alienating writers. I don't think I'd go as far as "the vote was two to two so you win", I'd just say: I've got a long mental list of things that have pissed off writers over the years, and I try my best to avoid doing those things. - Dank (push to talk) 19:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I would go with the Nicoll Highway collapse occurred mainly because the collapse was not only of the highway itself, but as well of the construction site for the train station that's named "Nicoll Highway". Going with "Nicoll Highway collapse occurred" would present this as an event that occurred. By changing to The Nicoll Highway collapsed, it changes the presentation to that of a structure had collapsed, but which structure collapsed, the highway or the construction site? – robertsky (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dank: The current blurb looks fine now.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Day-after-tomorrow's FA

Just a head's-up that I'm staying out of this one. Productive discussions are ongoing at WT:Today's featured article/April 2024#1984 world snooker championship. - Dank (push to talk) 00:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(April 19, today)

Monday's FL

(April 22)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

April 10 OTD

I just want to say I appreciate that the April 10 OTD has a couple of "lighter" items (The Great Gatsby being published and Beatles breaking up). It's nice to see that it's not all doom and gloom. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jessintime. To some, the Beatles breaking up might have been the worst news of 1970. Appreciate your feedback, though. Schwede66 19:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Capitalisation: "Main Page" vs "Main page"

Hello. I haven't done an exhaustive search of the archives so I apologise if this has been asked before. I did find a question from 2004 suggesting that the "P" in "Main Page" should be decapitalised; although I support that suggestion, that is not what I wish to discuss here.

My issue is with the inconsistency of the capitalisation. Whereas in most places, including the page's title, it is referred to with the capital "P" ("Main Page"), the link on the sidebar has a lowercase "p" ("Main page").

Is there a reason for this difference? With my current knowledge of the situation, I would suggest decapitalising this title everywhere; or, at least, capitalising the title in the sidebar to maintain consistency.

Thank you for your consideration. – Alisperic (talk) 07:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

See also related discussion links at Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why is the Main Page in the main (article) namespace? —⁠andrybak (talk) 08:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your recommendation. I have had a closer look at all of these discussions but I have not been able to find a satisfying answer to the question I posed here about capitalisation and the sidebar. Alisperic (talk) 12:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

For previous attempt to capitalize the link in the sidebar, see MediaWiki talk:Mainpage-description. Page MediaWiki:Mainpage-description controls the text in the sidebar, as can be see from debug locale. —⁠andrybak (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I get it. Thanks for your help. Alisperic (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)