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Usually "Personal Life" of a person famous for something like acting comes later in the page than the story of their career. This is a particularly long Personal Life section but shouldn't that usual ordering be followed? I guess it's not quite that simple because some of the "Personal Life" section is stuff like working for Pepsi and getting their employee of the year award. Which isn't "Personal Life" at all, even though it started with marrying the CEO of Pepsi. I guess some of Personal Life should be merged into the bigger career section and then the remains should be moved below? I never edit biographical pages so I have stopped short of actually doing anything about this other than making this note. Bakert (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 1910 Census of Lawton, Oklahoma, ED 52, Page 7, line 76, shows Luceil Cassens was 5 years old. That page was dated 20 April, 1910. There seems to be no dispute that Lucille/Joan was born on March 23. So if she was 5 years old on 20 April, 1910, she was born on 23 March 1905, no matter what she claimed in later life. The age of a child who has just turned 5 is no secret, and is rarely misreported. 162.197.198.127 (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the fact that the 1910 census also gives the wrong ages for her brother, Hal, and her mother, Anna. The 1910 census also misspells the family's name. Way too many factual errors to take that census as accurate. Joan's elementary school records, as well as her records from Stephens College, lists her birth year as 1906. She would have been a child and teenager at the time with no reason to lie about her age. When she started her career at MGM, MGM also listed her birth year as 1906 in early publicity articles, and documents at MGM lists 1906 as her year of birth year. 1904 came from no where (it's not on any documents at all) and the 1905 census isn't reliable. 1906 is the year with the most factual and documented backup. But, Wikipedia editors would rather leave it as ? MonicaAng (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We let the sources cover this....as seen above guess work by our editors is simply not helpful. Moxy🍁 21:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: Please see note 1 next to her date of birth; the year is disputed in reliable sources. Liu1126 (talk) 10:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just a note to say that yes, the year is disputed, but no "reliable source" has ever stated anything other than 1906 or 1908. 1904 came out of no where. MonicaAng (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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