Talk:Gildor Inglorion

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Gildor's ancestry[edit]

I would like to take issue with the idea that just because Chris Tolkien stated in the Silmarillion that Amarie was the beloved of Finrod that that totally rules out the idea that Gildor could not have been the son of Inglor/Finrod. At the time of the writing of the Fellowship of the Ring, Inglor was still the name of Felagund. His Vanyarin love back in Valinor probably wasn't even in existence yet. In HoME, Finrod's descendents are discussed, as the debate on Gil-galad's parentage includes the debate over if Finrod had a wife in Middle-earth. Chris Tolkien states that Amarie was one possible idea of his father's and not the final decision. Sephiroth9611 [7 July 2004]

It should also be noted that Finrod died several decades before the War of Wrath, and that he returned from the Halls of Mandos relatively quickly. There is a reasonable time frame for him to return and give birth to a son who would either march with the host in the War of Wrath, or else return in a similar manner to Glorfindel. This would explain why Gil-Galad remained the last king. Perhaps a term for his return may have been to disinherit the crown. (Miguel Wonham 04:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

It is extraordinarily unlikely that Tolkien ever intended or thought of Gildor as Finrod's (let alone Finarfin's) son. Any son of Finrod Felagund would have been a person of the highest rank and status-- as prestigious as Galadriel, Elrond, and Gil-Galad. Gildor is never mentioned apart from the encounter with the hobbits. And he isn't listed in any genealogical tree. He is presented as an Elf of much less standing. When he says he's from the House of Finrod, he clearly means that he's from the "people of Finrod," not a direct descendent and heir of a Noldorin High Prince.169.253.4.21 (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)TexxasFinn[reply]

The mention of only Idril and Orodreth in that generation (the third from Finwe) neglects Celebrimbor, who came with his father Curufin to Middle Earth. Either the source is being misquoted, or it is in error. Either way, the comment is not terribly relevent to this discussion. The article is lacking a discussion of the name "Gildor" which Ardalambion provides: Gil+taur = Star-lord. Inglorion certainly means "Son of Inglor," but the fact that Tolkien later went with Finrod/Felagund for that character's name suggests that it really is a different elf, named Inglor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.48.246.242 (talk) 16:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I see it Inglorion can be translated as "descendant of Inglor" (as Gil-Galads Name "Ereinion" = Descendant of the Kings), If Inglor means Finarfins Name "Ingalaure" then it´s possible that Gildor is a descendant of Finarfin.Tolkien´s late conceptions had Orodreth as the son of Angrod and Gil-Galad as the son of Orodreth and mentions a sister of Gil-Galad named Finduilas...

If Gildor was a Son of Gil-Galads sister then he would be considered a descendant (the last one!) of Inglor (Ingalaure=Finarfin) without the formal possibility to claim the position of the High-King of the Noldor.But of course that´s just speculations and can´t be proved by the existing texts...89.52.150.199 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:15, 18 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Except that Finduilas didn't marry (she was betrothed to Gwindor and then the Nírnaeth happened; then Gwindor returned and Túrin happened). Double sharp (talk) 11:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, -ion could have the same signification as the common Old English -ing, which could mean "son of, descendant of" but could equally mean "of the folk of." Eorlingas doesn't mean "direct descendants of Eorl," it means "the people of Eorl, the Rohirrim." So "Inglorion" could easily mean "of the people of Inglor," one of the followers of the House of Finrod, a descendant of the folk of Nargothrond. Solicitr (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OR[edit]

Most of the discussion of Gildor's ancestry is mere speculation; the section needs rewriting from top to bottom. Elphion (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Elphion (talk) 23:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sandro Kopp[edit]

"Gildor appears in Peter Jackson's rendition of The Return of the King played by actor Sandro Kopp." - though Sandro Kopp seems to have appeared in LoTR (see e.g. here: https://peter-jacksons-the-lord-of-the-rings-trilogy.fandom.com/wiki/Sandro_Kopp), it isn't clear that the character actually is Gildor (as the previous link just calls him "Coronation Elf"). Should we remove that line? Jalwikip (talk) 13:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]