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Thank you so much for your work on my grandfather's page ( Ian P. Howard ). It's appreciated by all of us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sea-in-a-sieve (talkcontribs) 00:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. Please accept my deepest condolences and please pass them onto your grandmother. Please also feel free to ask your grandmother to send me an e-mail so I can communicate with her directly (or send one yourself). I post on Wikipedia using my real name.
Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 19:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, well, well...[edit]

...fancy meeting you here! Hope you enjoy being a Wikipedian! And good to see your article in the ODT today, too.

James Dignan Grutness 05:25, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reply at last
Dear James,
Thank you for your kind words and good wishes. I fear that Wikipedia will be the end of my academic career. Note that it has taken me this long to reply! Robert P. O'Shea 08:57, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)

One you might be able to do...[edit]

Hi Robert - I think you might be one of the best-placed people in Wikipedia to expand this stub article: Christopher Tyler. Grutness|hello? 08:08, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No? well how about this one: McCullough_effect! At the moment it's a pitiful substub of about a dozen words. Grutness|hello? 12:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dear James,
OK. I'm finally getting the hang of Wikipedia's talk. I did indeed tinker with the McCollough-effect entry. I hope you like it. Robert P. O'Shea 08:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks excellent. Good work! Grutness...wha? 04:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My user page[edit]

Thank you for correcting my grammar. I don't know how that one slipped by me. Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 05:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Loess - Loess curve - Loess soil[edit]

Hi, I have just reverted your cut-n-paste move of Loess to loess soil of Sept. 16. Please in the future do not do such a cut-n-paste move, rather use the move button at the page top. Moving a page correctly keeps the page history attached to the page - whereas a cut-n-paste move detaches the page history. This is an important concern for Wikipedia. Also when and if you make page moves, please check and make sure all pages linking to the previous page are correctly linke without any double-redirects to mess things up. Thanks, Vsmith 02:09, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dr. O'Shea. I noticed that you started the article Giant retinal ganglion cells earlier in the year. For consistency with other items on Template:Retina, do you think it would be appropriate to move it to Giant ganglion cell? Also, do you think Parvocellular part/Magnocellular part/Koniocellular should redirect to either Parvocellular cell/Magnocellular cell/Koniocellular cell or Parvocellular ganglion cell/Magnocellular ganglion cell/Magnocellular ganglion cell? Thanks! AED 21:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:ZEKI photo.jpg has been listed for deletion[edit]

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Practical Interconnections[edit]

I'm looking for some information about the image processing the retina does, and I think you might be able to help. The articles on Ganglion cell, Amacrine cell, Bipolar cell, etc. are in some cases extensive, but none of them really explain how these connect to each other to do things, or even really what those things are. In Receptive field, it claims the ganglion cells (which I belive are the only ones that send anything on to the brain) that are involved in image processing either have very simple center-surround fields, or even simpler center-only fields, but then what's the point of the horizontal cells? Do the bipolar cells do nothing but reverse the polarity of some inputs and leave others alone? Why not just have something in the ganglion cells take care of that? Any assistance is appreciated. In case it helps, I'm looking at this from the perspective of a computer programmer, so it's more the processing of information than the chemistry and physiology that I'm interested in. 70.242.4.145 Black Carrot 00:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Psychology wiki[edit]

Hi Robert I see that you have been contributing to psychology articles on Wikipedia. Just to let you know that we are working on an academic psychology wiki for our professional community and their users. This can be found at: [1] We would really welcome your input and ask you to join us. We already have over 7000 pages up. Orientation, help and community portal pages are available off of this link. Please pass the good news onto anyone you feel would be interested. Just read your list of articles worked on your obviously our kind of man!!!. Lifeartist 15:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the Psychology Wiki's new Community Portal :) Mostly Zen 03:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, this article is fascinating. Thanks for writing it, mate. Snoutwood (talk) 02:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar for Tetris effect. That was my first star. And congratulations on becoming an administrator.
By the way, I still don't get how talk is supposed to work. I keep thinking it should be easy, like e-mail, but it seems very hard. I guess I don't have the correct mental model of it. Indeed, I'm not sure if I am doing it correctly even now. Robert P. O'Shea 05:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're doing it right! Different people do it differently, but for the most part if someone posts a message on your talk page, you respond by going and replying on their talk page. Some people post replies on their own talk pages so that the thread is easier for an individual to follow (as that way, all the posts are in one place rather than being divided onto two different talk pages). That's how that works. The way that threads work is thus: when you respond to a message, indent your message so that you're one level of indentation further in than the person you're replying to. If you're replying to a message that has already been replied to, the reply underneath that thread (time moves downwards). Here's an example:
Person A: Blah.
Person B: Reply.
Person A: Reply to Person B.
Person C: Reply to Person A.
Person D: Reply to Person C.
Person C: Reply to Person B.
Person E: Reply to Person B.
Person B: Reply to Person E.
That's how threading works. Earlier comments are at the top, later comments are at the bottom. Does that help? Snoutwood (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
>Does that help?
Yes it does. Thanks. I hope you won't think I am pestering you if I ask another question: If I reply on my own talk page (and I agree that doing so makes it easier to see a thread), how do you know when I've replied to you? Robert P. O'Shea 00:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, answering questions is what I'm here for :). Well, I won't, unless 1) I'm watching your page, not always a good bet to make, or 2), you let me know you've replied by either leaving a note saying so or copying your reply onto my talk page (which is what you did in your last post). The second or third options are the better ideas, IMHO. Some people either don't want to take the time to let you know or figure that if you care about the thread you'll be watching their page (kinda snobby if you ask me, I don't like to clog up my watchlist with userpages, but I have to because of that), so it's always a good idea to watch other user's talk pages until you know how they go about replying. I'd highly recommend the second method (i.e., posting a note on their talk page), as it only takes a minute and makes everything easier for everybody.
By the way, on Wikipedia at least, it's not "standard" (whatever that means) to use arrows (>) to show threading, like you would in e-mails. Actually, quoting someone at all isn't common: it's assumed that the person you're responding to knows what they've said, and if they've forgotten, they'll just follow the thread back up and find what you're referring to. Quoting uses up indentation space, and rarely is necessary. If you have to quote someone, post what they've said in italics and indent you response under that. For example, let's say I wanted to quote Person A in our above example, but threading wouldn't be appropriate for whatever the reason. I'd respond as such:
Blah. Person A (timestamp)
Reponse. ~~~~
Make sense? This issue doesn't come up to much, as threading works fairly well as long as people post chronologically and indent properly. Remember that general comments that aren't specific to an individual often work best un-indented so that there's no confusion about whether or not you're responding to a specific person. You'll get the hang of when to indent and how, it just takes a bit of getting used to.
Oh, and a last comment (it took me awhile to figure this out): in a really long thread, when there's too many indents and you run out of room, you start over again with a little note. Here's how that's generally handled:
Blah.
Response.
Response.
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(Moving over to the left) Response.
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The "moving over to the left" post should be treated just like it was indented again under the previous post for all chronological purposes. Does that help? Hopefully that rather long post wasn't too confusing. Let me know, and remember that I'm always here if you need me later. Cheers, Snoutwood (talk) 06:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Visual neuroscience and infant vision[edit]

As per the discussion on Talk:Infant vision, it appears another vision researcher new to Wikipedia has added Infant vision and Visual neuroscience. I wanted to bring them to your attention in the event you might have some contributions to add. Cheers! -AED 00:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Visual neuroscience

Pee Shivers[edit]

The internet poll you quoted now reflects that only 3% of females experience this -- so the spermazoa reference of "majority of females" is inaccurate. Not sure an internet poll is a reliable means to query, or one worth quoting.... Regardless, I've found very few women who know what 'pee shivers' are and even fewer who've experienced them...not that my experiences are any more valid or worthy of a reference...:) thx.

>The internet poll you quoted now reflects that only 3% of females experience this
This is to misunderstand the poll. The 3% shown in the poll represent 3% of the total number of reponders to the poll. In fact, the total percentage of reponders identifying their sex as female is 5% (or, currently, more than 1200 females). 3% of 5% is a majority, currently about 59% when you do the calculations.
>Not sure an internet poll is a reliable means to query, or one worth quoting
It's all I am aware of in this under-researched topic.

Robert P. O'Shea 08:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Tetris effect[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Tetris effect, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tetris effect. Thank you. Endless Dan 16:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, although it was all over by the time I saw your message. You might like to see my reply at [[2]]. 04:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Afterimage[edit]

Oh, hi, I just noticed your comment on my talk page; sorry, I haven't been using Wikipedia much since I began my graduate studies in neuroscience. Because of that same reason, I unfortunately don't have much to improve the article either ;) --Heida Maria 04:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Tetris effect[edit]

Hi Robert,

yes, that looks a lot better. As you'll be aware the AfD was a while ago, but if it were to be re-held my recommendation would definitely be a strong keep now. Grutness...wha? 00:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct[edit]

Yes you are right - I went back to see the other edits you have done on Mismatch negativity, and I was hasty on the revert. My apologies. docboat (talk) 11:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I remove your addition of a link from the autostereogram article to Convergence micropsia. For reasons, please see Talk:Autostereogram#Convergence_micropsia. Fred Hsu (talk) 03:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed further changes to your changes on the talk page. Fred Hsu (talk) 05:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Monthly/yearly page view dumps[edit]

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Piece of My Heart[edit]

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Another possible article to work on...[edit]

Hi Robert,

I've just seen a stub article which might well be in your line of expertise - Helmholtz-Kohlrausch. It's not something I know enough about to be able to expand, but you may well be able to. Grutness...wha? 02:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to userspace[edit]

I moved the article to your userspace at User:Robert P. O'Shea/Neurotree and you can work on it there. It's a little light to be in the mainspace and normally we don't restore A7'd articles, but you've been editing here for a while and should know the basics for websites and the like. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:10, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Based on your work on Depth perception, I was hoping you might be able to help draft the "Perception of size" section of Draft:Size. Cheers! bd2412 T 03:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Anne Treisman[edit]

Hi. I reverted you. Normally, I would just hand out a template for your poor editing but I wanted to let you know in a nicer way what the issue is. One, yes I've heard Anne Treisman is dead. We need a source for that claim per WP:V. In fact, all the other content you added needs citations. Finally, you may not remove a maintenance template without providing some sort of reason if you're not going to improve the article. Please tell your fellow academics that the rules still apply. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stale draft[edit]

Greetings! I have been combing through stale userspace drafts, and chanced upon yours at User:Robert P. O'Shea/Neurotree. I compared it to the existing article on the subject and deemed it to contain no additional content of value, so I redirected it to that article. You are free to undo this revision if you like, although if you do, I would request that you remove {{Userspace draft}} and add __NOINDEX__ unless you have any intention of reviving that draft. Thanks! Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! I've added links from two other pages. I've added some categories (although I'd appreciate some input from an editor skilled in categories). As for citations, I'll have to leave that to others more skilled in Haywood's life and research than I am.
I should emphasise that I have no conflict of interest with Haywood. When a colleague mentioned him as a notable person who contributed to Dynamic_assessment, I searched for him. The only Wikipedia page I found is the Indonesian Wikipedia. I thought: "That's puzzling", so I took time away from my real job to translate and find citations for the article.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Robert! I was recently copyediting this page and noticed you are both a vision specialist and its top author. Would you please clarify the first parenthetical statement in this part, so that I ensure an accurate expansion: A sensory space can be the space surrounding an animal, such as an area of auditory space that is fixed in a reference system based on the ears but that moves with the animal as it moves (the space inside the ears), or in a fixed location in space that is largely independent of the animal's location (place cells).? Assem Khidhr (talk) 03:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Long time no see...[edit]

Dear Robert - I've just been adding some categories to the Glenn A. Fry article and was surprised when I looked at the history to see who it was who'd most recently been editing it! I was actually thinking about you earlier this evening - it's a lovely moonlit night here in Dunedin, and the full moon was making the sky at the horizon much lighter than at the zenith (presumably due to backscatter and/or thew thickness of the atmosphere with respect to the observer at those points), and I was wondering whether there was a particular name for the phenomenon. I thought if anyone knew, you would. Hope things are well with you and your family! James Dignan, a.k.a. Grutness...wha? 13:27, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear James, I sent a response to your Talk item via an e-mail address I have for you involving a weapon.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dear James, That e-address did not work. If you want my response, please drop a line to my current gmail address from your preferred e-address and I will I send it to you. (This will require some searching skills, but I am sure you are up to it.)Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I still use a slingshot address but it's a bit unpredictable (and it may not be the one I used to have), but I've sent a more reliable one. Grutness...wha? 02:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thorough improvements to Michael Corballis! Nauseous Man (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words. But much more needs to be done to bring the article up to a reasonable standard.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will keep working on the article.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 11:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Singular they removals[edit]

Please stop editing pages to remove singular they. Singular they is not grammatically incorrect, and rewording sentences to avoid it is not an improvement. Levivich 18:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's not as simple as that for four reasons.
First, the singular they now could mean that the person referred to is of non-binary gender, creating ambiguity. I hope you agree that clarity is better than ambiguity in Wikipedia articles. For example, it's clear to rewrite a sentence in the plural; the plural they specifies that the people referred to contain a mix of genders or that gender is unimportant.
Second, your using a double negative in "Singular they is not grammatically incorrect" demonstrates that the issue is not settled. For example, one of the authorities cited in Singular they is the seventh edition of the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. Elsewhere in the book than the chosen parts, its editors say that other methods, such as pluralization, could be used to avoid using the singular they. These editors conceded that, although writers need to be kind to the minority of readers who are of non-binary gender, writers also need to be kind to the (possibly larger) minority (perhaps even a majority) of readers who still consider the singular they a grammatical error in formal writing.
Third, your using reversion caught up other copyediting changes I made. Are you saying every change I made the text worse?
Fourth, although it is your opinion that my changed text "is not an improvement", I beg to differ. What's your authority that your opinion is better than mine? I realize that if the original text has been there for some time, it benefits from the mere-exposure effect. I did not get that benefit because I was reading the sentences I changed for the first time. Other readers may be in the same boat. Can I suggest that if my changes are really no worse than the originals, you reinstate them and we will see if they stand the test if time? Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 09:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Instrument myopia page needs to be revised[edit]

Hi Robert. I wanted to alert you to my intent to substantially edit the page on instrument myopia. The concept is not readily linked to ophthalmology. The term microscope myopia is obscure and I plan on deleting it. It is also neither a form of myopia nor an eye disease but rather a normal user response to viewing with an optical instrument. Your use of relaxed accommodation referring to distant vision is not correct. Your implication that awareness of distance with a microscope leads to instrument myopia is not supported. Finally, there is some history to the concept and I can provide several sources.KM_from_LQ 14:23, 15 June 2023 (UTC) KM_from_LQ 23:54, 14 June 2023 (UTC) KM_from_LQ 15:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lqdem (talkcontribs)

Dear Lqdem, Thank you for letting me know. And thank you for pointing to your real name. I had a look at your changes; they all seem quite reasonable. I do not know if I added "microscope myopia". Google's ngram viewer did not find a single instance of it. The only thing I did not like is your use of the singular they. I will see what I can do to make the observer gender neutral without offending people who care about prescriptive grammar.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 05:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I really liked that you have started to fill in the History section.Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 06:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I had a poke around the instances of "instrument myopia" from Google's ngram viewer. There are several earlier than 1970, although I have not been able to track down any original sources. One that might be promising is this:
Ohashi, T. (1967). The study of instrument myopia. Nippon Ganka Gakkai zasshi, 71(7), 1000-1009. But it is in Japanese. Good luck!Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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