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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 12, 2017.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Hayao Miyazaki aspired to become a manga artist but found he could not draw people, instead drawing primarily planes, tanks, and battleships for several years?
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on January 5, 2023.
Current status: Good article

Roger Ebert praise[edit]

I've changed this part of the lead section around some. I removed a statement using blogs as sources that Miyazaki is one of the most influential filmmakers. I did this because I feel it's an opinion. It's not a direct quote or stated by someone other than on the provided sources of blogs. I changed "American Famed critic Roger Ebert" to "American critic Roger Ebert" (not verbatim) because I feel it's redundant, and Roger Ebert's prominence as a critic is not really important to the article, especially in the lead section. I think the Roger Ebert line should probably be moved out of the lead section, or at least higher up so that the lead section is in chronological order (Ebert's review was from 2002, yet it's below many things later than 2010, including his recent honorary oscar award) --Padenton (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand why this was done, but it seems to me the source cited doesn't say what the article claims it does. Ebert himself doesn't suggest that Miyazaki may be the best... he says "other animators" say that. He talks Miyazaki up quite a bit in the article, but he never actually suggests what the article claims he suggests. 73.175.184.175 (talk) 07:35, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and made the change to reflect what the cited article actually says. 73.175.184.175 (talk) 17:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excess external links[edit]

I have removed some external links as they were tagged for there being too many. The ones I removed included 2 interviews that might be useful to source:

  • Miyazaki, Hayao (February 1, 2006), "Film", Interview, UK: The Guardian
  • ——— (August 1997), "Interview", Nikkei Entertainment, archived from the original on February 11, 2001

- Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Part in Only Yesterday and Pom Poko.[edit]

In the filmography Miyazaki is currently labeled as having produced Only Yesterday and Pom Poko. According to other articles Toshio Suzuki produced both films. According to some other websites Miyazaki served as executive producer and was involved in planning. I do not know if it is correct to label Miyazaki as a producer of those films unless a separate column for executive producer is included in filmography table. Tk420 (talk) 12:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Following the split of Works of Hayao Miyazaki from this article this discussion will be continued in Talk:Works of Hayao MiyazakiTk420 (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contribs) 10:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a thought: the sourcing style seems unusual for Wikipedia articles, with separate notes and sources. For most articles here, footnotes directly link to the sources, rather than the notes just mentioning authors. Otherwise, each statement is sourced (important as the article is a BLP), no copyright problems detected, the prose is well-written and properly sectioned (though perhaps, because the section is rather short, the "personal life" section could be merged to one of the sections above it). This is almost a pass, would just like to receive a response regarding my concerns. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for your comments! I agree that the sourcing style is uncommon, but it has been used before—in particular, I borrowed it from Knight Lore and Underwurlde. It's helpful when using mostly print material, but let me know if it's a significant concern. – Rhain ☔ 11:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Rhain: For one, I think it could be a problem for mobile readers, as that would be another section they would have to read, when they could have easily seen the source from the start. Just convert the sourcing to a more traditional style and this is an easy pass. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Considering the referencing style is also in use on an article which has undergone a scrupulous featured article review, and (to my knowledge) there is no guideline regarding a requirement to stick to the "traditional style", I personally feel as though a complete change is unnecessary. The concept of the style is actually used on several articles (see refs #55–64 of Satoru Iwata, or #95–97 of Donald Trump, for example)—this article just uses it for every reference instead, as several are print sources. It would certainly be no easy task to completely convert the sourcing style, either. – Rhain ☔ 12:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I see. If that's the case then I'm happy to say that this is a pass given that there are no other problems with the article. However, if you wish to nominate the article for FA status, I would suggest that you at least make the citations more readable, as that would be a plus should a FAN ever take place. The article is already well-written and it would easily pass a FAN with little work. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:22, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you! I value your advice, and appreciate your time. – Rhain ☔ 12:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No list of works?[edit]

I would think someone of Miyazaki's stature would rate a List of creative works by Hayao Miyazaki... --216.38.130.90 (talk) 00:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Works of Hayao Miyazaki. – Rhain ☔ 00:37, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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No mention to Mononoke Princess?[edit]

I found very strange not seeing anything about what was the "highest-grossing film in Japan of 1997, and also held Japan's box office record for its homemade films until 2001's Spirited Away" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.137.14.136 (talk) 09:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Mononoke is very prominent throughout the article, particularly the "Global emergence" section. – Rhain ☔ 04:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"heavily criticized his parenting abilities"[edit]

@Rhain: I'm not sure about your rewrite. The new source actually implies Miyazaki the Younger's comment was in retaliation for Miyazaki the Elder's criticizing his ability as a filmmaker, which again seems like a misinterpretation of the blog entry in question. The original Japanese blog has the "zero points" bit as a subordinate (possibly hypothetical) clause and emphasizes his filmmaking prowess more than criticizes him, and the translation de Wit quotes is even worse than the nausicaa.net one. We know he's also getting his information from the blog because he quotes it, but we can tell that his interpretation is debatable because the translation he uses ignores the grammar of the original (again, even more than the nausicaa.net one). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hijiri88: Thanks for the comment. I agree it was poorly worded. I've restored the previous text, but included the direct quote from Gorō as a footnote to hopefully avoid confusion. Let me know your thoughts. – Rhain ☔ 08:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

A link to Ursula K. Le Guin in the "influenced by" section, even though it's linked above, seems appropriate per guideline because it is both quite a distance away from the first link and appears in a section which may be of interest to readers or researchers only interested in Miyazaki's influences. (A personal memory, if may indulge, I invited Le Guin to sit in on an ongoing drum circle as she passed by at a sci fi convention, which she did, and told us it was only her second time drumming in a drum circle) Randy Kryn (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:REPEATLINK states that links should only be repeated in infobox, tables, captions, etc.—the "influences" section does not apply to any of those. – Rhain ☔ 00:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-RS BLP citing[edit]

The biography at http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/miyazaki/miyazaki_biography.txt, part of Nausicaa.net, is nothing more than a self-published fan site compiling forum comments from the Hayao Miyazaki Discussion Group. WP:RS says flat-out that Internet forums are disallowed as reference citations. All claims cited to Nausicaa.net must be cited to an RS source, per policy for biographies of living people.

I've added an RS cite for birth date. Before I start removing these BLP-vio citations, I would ask for regular editors of this page to help swap out these Nausicaa-biography cites for proper ones.

I understand that the overall Nausicaa.net appears to be an acceptable wiki, like INDUCKS. But a biography generated from forum comments is not. And since presumably anything in there can be cited to a reliable journalistic / academic / reference source swapping it out should not be an issue.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out, Tenebrae. I'm not sure if I'd technically consider Nausicaa.net an Internet forum, but it *is* a self-published source and thus cannot be used to cite information about living people. I've swapped out all uses of the biography article from the site; I've kept other uses of the site in references, since it's used to cite non-biographical information (usually as a copy/translation of a reliable offline source). Let me know if you have any more concerns. – Rhain ☔ 10:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That was so kind and collegial of you, Rhain! Sometimes working on Wiikipedia can be an anxiety-producing experience. But it's thoughtful and so highly proficient editors editors as yourself that remind me that we're colleagues working together. Many thanks. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Antoine de Saint-Exupéry[edit]

Was surprised reading this to see no mention of miyazaki's fascination (perhaps bordering on obsession) with the pilot and author antoine de saint-exupery. in the 1990s there was a documentary film made in which miyazaki retraces the flight route saint-exupery would've made delivering mail, and miyazaki talks at length about how saint-exupery influenced him (especially the memoir 'wind, sand and stars'). i think it would make a good addition to the 'influences' section, but i'm too lazy to add it and properly source it myself :) 101.98.134.21 (talk) 10:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image[edit]

I propose changing the infobox image to File:Hayao Miyazaki cropped 3 Hayao Miyazaki 201211.jpg, because it is more recent (2012 in comparison to 2008), its angle is better (no rotation), and more importantly it is portrait. Any ideas? Pahlevun (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pahlevun: Great idea; I've made the change. I think the 2008 image is still good, so I've moved it over to the accolades article (which fits as it was taken at a film festival). – Rhain ☔ 02:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Final films"[edit]

We have a section called "Final films" that ends in 2013, but Miyazaki started up a new feature-length film project in 2016, which he's currently still working on. [1]. Surely this means that any "final films" section should extend into the present day. Sonicsuns (talk) 05:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged "Final films" and "Focus on short films and manga", partly to solve this issue but also because both sections were incredibly short. – Rhain ☔ 23:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changed information on Miyazaki and Takahata "meeting" with Astrid Lingren[edit]

Change in "Early career":

According to the Astrid Lingren website, https://www.astridlindgren.com/en/frequently-asked-questions, Miyazaki and Takahata did NOT meet with Astrid Lingren, as "she could not see them" because "Beta Film, who were acting as intermediaries, had not arranged things better ahead of their arrival".

The original version stated that all three met.

Sorry if my edit was sloppy, hopefully someone can make a better job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.19.100 (talk) 06:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some edits to the phrasing and citation for consistency. Thank you for your contribution to make Wikipedia a better place. – Rhain ☔ 23:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Date format[edit]

Looking through this article's history, it used MDY dates almost exclusively from its creation until July 2020, when it was changed to DMY without explanation. Since Miyazaki is Japanese, he doesn't have any strong national ties to an English-speaking nation, thus the original format should be preserved per WP:DATERET. I would bold revert it back but I wanted to post a message here to see if there is an explanation for this change before I do. Link20XX (talk) 20:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it appears to have been changed through a script by Emir of Wikipedia. I'm certainly not opposed to a revert to MDY dates per WP:DATERET. – Rhain ☔ 23:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is Miyazaki critizing "modern" anime?[edit]

The views section states " modern anime is "produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans ... that's why the industry is full of otaku!"". In the source interview Miyazaki has not mentioned "modern anime" specifically, so I believe that this is the editor's bias.

If you read Miyazaki's book Starting Point which is a collection of essays 1979 to 1996, the inability of animators to depict realism is a common refrain of Miyazaki even back then. For example from his essay "Nostalgia for a lost world":

Quite a few of today’s younger animators plunged directly into this line of work because they were fans. But if I were to ask them to draw a picture of what they think a chaika (a flying boat in Future Boy Conan) would look like in flight, they would only be able to imagine what they had previously seen on past TV anime shows. And I wouldn’t be able to use their work as a result. To draw a chaika flying in a truly original fashion, you would need to have read at least one book on the history of flying, and then be able to use your imagination to augment what you have read.

At the core, there must be a sense of realism … In Japan today, animated TV shows filled with all kinds of fancy robotlike, mechanical creations are all the rage. I have certainly drawn lots of mecha, or mechanical things, myself. But the general theme of currently popular shows seems to be that the protagonist jumps in a giant machine he couldn’t possibly have created on his own, battles the enemy in it, and then boasts about winning. I frankly hate these kinds of shows. I don’t care what types of robots are featured. For me, in a truly successful mecha show the protagonist should struggle to build his own machine, he should fix it when it breaks down, and he should have to operate it himself.

So Miyazaki has been criticizing the lack of realism since the 80s at the very least and I think the "modern" adjective should be removed. YellowSodium (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current:
Miyazaki has often criticized the state of the animation industry, stating that animators are unrealistic when creating people. He is particularly critical of Japanese animation, saying that modern anime is "produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans ... that's why the industry is full of otaku!"
Proposed change:
Miyazaki has often criticized the state of the animation industry, stating that animators are unable to make their work realistic.[Miyazaki 1996] He is particularly critical of Japanese animation, saying that anime is "produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans ... that's why the industry is full of otaku!" YellowSodium (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

I'd like to make a few suggestions for the "Personal life" section. Firstly, it primarily describes Miyazaki's relationship with Goro and says very little about other aspects of his life. For instance, his relationship with his wife, Akemi, could be expanded and include more information about her, since she doesn't have her own article in English yet. In addition to being colleagues at Toei, she served as the president of his private office, Nibariki, and they've co-authored a book together. I'll include a few sources below.

Secondly, it only covers his relationship with Goro up until 2006, when Earthsea came out. That's nearly 18 years ago. Besides, it focuses on the negative aspects of their relationship, which could be stigmatizing for both of them. They've worked together after Earthsea and seem to be on good terms nowadays. Goro has a successful career and has achieved many things, both with the help of his father and despite his criticisms.

Sources about Akemi:

1) Anime she worked on

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3309 http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~rst/rabo/filmo/Slist1.html http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~rst/rabo/filmo/Slist2.html http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~rst/rabo/filmo/Slist4.html

There's a page for Akemi's filmography on Anime News Network, but I was told it's user-generated, so it might not be a reliable source. The other links are from the Takahata Isao Miyazaki Hayao Sakuhin Kenkyujo (Institute of Isao Takahata and Hayao Miyazaki Films), which is maintained by Seiji Kano, a film researcher and university lecturer. The main issue with this source is that the staff credits only include the names of staff members and not their roles. Some of the works in the ANN list are missing there too.

2) Nibariki presidency

https://ghiblicon.blogspot.com/2010/06/look-at-miyazakis-pig-house-nibariki.html https://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~hn7y-mur/mononoke/monotopic.htm

3) Books she wrote and illustrated

- Totoro no Umareta Tokoro (Where Totoro Was Born) with Hayao Miyazaki https://www.ghibli.jp/info/012865/ https://www.iwanami.co.jp/totoro/

- Goro to Keisuke - Okaa-san no Ikuji Enikki (Goro and Keisuke: Mom's Childcare Illustrated Diary) http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~rst/rabo/filmo/bunken.html https://ghibli.jpn.org/books/goro-keisuke/

4) Her dedicated Japanese article with more information and sources

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E7%94%B0%E6%9C%B1%E7%BE%8E 191.54.172.43 (talk) 23:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone fix my Del Toro 2024 cite?[edit]

This cite system is Greek to me. I have the info down, but not the system. Thanks to all.

Have a good one! ReddlSKye (talk) 00:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Looks like it was just the incorrect year in the full ref (2023 instead of 2024). Thanks for adding the info! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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