Talk:Patriots' Day

Massachusetts

I had no idea this was not a national holiday before I moved away from Boston to the west coast.

The fact that we now have the national day of Patriot Day confused everyone to whom I asked here whether or not we get Patriot's Day off.

Patriot's Day is a state government and bank holiday (in Massachusetts), it is sometimes also a work holiday but this varies among employers. (Smaller locally-based companies are more likely to honor the day this way than national and multinational companies.)

KeithTyler — Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Wisconsin

Someone put Wisconsin on the list of states celebrating it. The Wisconsin Statutes, section 895.20 Legal holidays, does not include Patriot's Day. I did find that the public schools take it as a holiday (http://dpi.wi.gov/eis/observe.html). --Mark Adler 22:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Future dates

Is this section really necessary? It'll have to be updated every year, which is really needless work. -- LGagnon 19:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Nah, not really. I was just adding some mildly helpful info. It doesn't need to be updated every year, because we already know the next three years. But, still, it's OK to delete it if you'd rather. —Mark Adler (markles) 00:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a future date section is needed since it's easily predictable. (3rd Monday in April) It's holidays that are based on Lunar Calendars that need future dates. (Most or all Jewish Holidays, some Christian Holidays, etc.) Joncnunn 14:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

District of Columbia

Patriot's Day is also a legal holiday in the District of Columbia and IRS allows the extra day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackacregirl (talk • contribs) 15:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't true. [1] DC and other areas got the extra day for tax returns because the IRS processing center is in MA, where it is a legal holiday. [2] - Severinus 19:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

This is probably confusing because there was nothing preventing those outside of MA from going to their post office on the 17th. Joncnunn 15:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The confusion is understandable, but the April holiday in the District of Columbia is Emancipation Day, first recognized in 2005. [3] It's now coninciding with the tax filing date and Patriots' Day. The IRS explains how it's the DC holiday, with its ripple effect on many federal activities nationwide, that is causing the extension. [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.166.223 (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The original poster was correct. Here is the announcement on the IRS web site. "the following day, Monday, April 16, is Emancipation Day, a legal holiday in the District of Columbia.". It doesn't make sense the way you said it. There is more than one IRS processing center and in the past when Patriot's day fell on Tax Day only the states serviced by the Andover,MA preccessing center got the extension. This year all states get the extension. APL 21:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Tax Day

Umm, can someone explain this to me... if Patriots Day is today (Wednesday, April 19th), how did it delay Tax Day for those of us in the Northeast USA? It shouldn't have affected anything. I'm kinda lost on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghostalker (talk • contribs) 23:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

"Since 1969, however, the holiday has been observed on the third Monday." April 17 was Patriot's Day, not April 19. And April 17th was Tax Day. Hence the delay. -Severinus 21:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Connecticut federal tax returns are now filed to Kansas City. No Patriots' Day extra day for us.

Lux Interior — Preceding undated comment added 15:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

My editing is not the best so if someone else wants to add this I have included the link to the info on the IRS website. This year due to the Noreaster that hit, certain states were granted an additional 2 days for taxes bringing the deadline to April 19th. Thay have to write "April 16 Storm" on the return. Here is link.  :::http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=169523,00.html

Oa164 — Preceding undated comment added 20:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Tax deadline extensions for Patriots' Day are properly part of this article. Tax problems caused by weather have no place here, nor do the effects of Emancipation Day. Weather and Emancipation Day do not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Oklahoma City Bombing

This event did not occur on Patriots' Day. It occurred on April 19, but in 1995, Patriots' Day was on April 17. I think this link should be removed, as it's confusing and irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.39.88.241 (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It depends what date you want to use as Patriots' Day -- the original, traditional date or the currently observed date. The bombing occurred on the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord and it is that anniversary that Patriots' Day celebrates. The bombing's date was chosen not because it was Patriots' Day but because it was the anniversary of the bombing. The bombing was the bomber's way to marking the anniversary. Should it be mentioned here? I think so, but only in passing because it is connected though not in a casual way. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 03:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Third monday?

According to the article, Patriot's day is the third Monday of April. The article also lists April 19th, 2010, as a previous Patriot's Day, and April 21st, 2014, as a future Patriot's Day.

Both of these dates are on the 4th Monday of April for that year. What gives? Other sources describe the same "Third Monday" rule, but this doesn't seem to be so. --173.166.106.34 (talk) 03:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

No - check your calendars again. They are both the third Monday of the month.- DavidWBrooks (talk) 10:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Petition to make it a National Holiday

There is currently a White House petition to make Patriots' Day a National Holiday. - Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 22:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure a failed internet petition is not encyclopedia material. Besides, are you sure it was a petition about Patriots Day, the anniversary of Lexington and Concord battles, and not the September 11 "Patriot Day"? - Kzirkel (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Menotomy

User:RavensAtRest, thank you for your additions re the Battle of Menotomy, but... I'm not finding any sources that Patriot's day was established to commemorate that battle. Maybe it should have been, but that's entirely different.

For instance, this article about North Dakota joining the bandwagon says "Patriots' Day commemorates the battles of Lexington and Concord, which were the first battles of the Revolutionary War.". That could be just the writer's interpretation, but that seems to be the common understanding, I think.

I'd like to see Governor Frederic T. Greenhalge 1894 proclamation, but I don't have it. But the article does say "In 1894 the Lexington Historical Society petitioned the Massachusetts State Legislature to proclaim April 19 as 'Lexington Day'. Concord countered with 'Concord Day'. Governor Frederic T. Greenhalge opted for a compromise: Patriots' Day". No mention of Metonomy, and it sounds like -- for better or worse, and as unfair to Arlington as it might be -- that the battles of Lexington and Concord may have been in play, and no others.

So I've rolled all that back for the present. There's also some promotional stuff about tours, and some speculation as to reasons for Menotomy to be unincluded, so... there's good stuff in there too, and I'm thinking that best approach would be to create an article Battle of Menotomy and point to that from here. Herostratus (talk) 00:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Herostratus - thank you for your explanation of why you chose to undo my work. I have read it carefully and given it some thought.Based on my evaluation of the information you have provided, specifically your reliance on a news article from a Bismarck, North Dakota newspaper, I have restored my work. RavensAtRestRavensAtRest (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2019 (UTC)--RavensAtRest (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@RavensAtRest:, this is fine. I'm not going to object, let's leave it in for now. We want to get this right, and there's no hurry.

As we discussed on your talk page, we definitely need an article Battle of Menotomy. So here's , using the material here or other material. (If you don't want to or are too busy, that's fine, I'll do it myself eventually.)

We can put a lot of the material that you've added here into that article, and more. This does not (necessarily) mean that the material can't be in this article also, or some of it. Also, Battles of Lexington and Concord could have its Menotomy material expanded (a little maybe; that article is already pretty long). That article presents the fight as one running battle, from Lexington to Concord and back to Boston, all under the title "Battles of Lexington and Concord". But breaking out the action at Menotomy will be good tho, in any case. Herostratus (talk) 15:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Wisconsin and North Dakota

Why those states, out of all states not in New England? More info needed. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:25B9:611:9D20:EEA8 (talk) 07:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Irrelevant material about Menotomy battle should be removed

I have commented out, and want to remove, several sentences from the History section that are irrelevant to this article. They talk about "the biggest battle fought on this day was in the town of Menotomy, now Arlington, Massachusetts" rather than Lexington or Concord - which may be true but has nothing to do with Patriot's Day.

Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

A good edit was made but IMHO it still had way too much detail about the Menotomy battle - I have commented it out to see what people think. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree, David. The battle information was obscuring the important paragraphs about the history Patriots' Day. The article about the Battle of Menotomy is the right place for such detail. I left it, as a single condensed paragraph, only because some editors object to editing early American history as vigorously as anything else.

I would be happy to delete the paragraph and integrate it into the article about the battle. With your support, I will proceed boldly.

Incidentally, I found my way to the article about Patriots' Day after exploring the article about patriots. I wanted to find out when the revolutionaries began calling themselves Patriots. See my talk topic there. The 1894 proclamation in Massachusetts is the earliest official use of the term that I have found. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Excellent - go for it! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)