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Delete - recipe for wikibooks - Tεxτurε 23:46, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't understand -- who wants to delete this item, and why? There was a mention of tartiflette in the French Cuisine article, with a few ingredients listed. Why not a recipe? Maybe the person who proposed deleting it thinks it would be more authentique if it were in French?
A recipe is not enclopedic. There is no content beyond ingredients and mixing instructions. I have nothing against the recipe. It just belongs in Wikibooks with the other recipes. - Tεxτurε 02:55, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've added an introduction to it. Perhaps that could be kept but the recipe itself moved to Wikibooks? Angela. 07:52, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
What Angela suggested(keep). --Woggly 08:33, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Keep, although the recipe itself could go. — Lady Lysine Ikinsile 10:42, 2004 Jun 21 (UTC)
Keep everything. - SimonP 14:44, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
Keep everything. Recipes are fine within the context of an article. Dpbsmith 15:57, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm prejudiced, since I'm the guy who wrote the recipe, and I admit that I'm not at all an expert on Wikiquette and what should or should not be included in this massive (and wonderfully worthwhile) undertaking. But my own, fairly common, I think, view of the word "encyclopediac" is that it means "all-encompassing". I know that 4 or 5 years ago, when I first heard of the tartiflette recipe and was trying to track down different versions of it, and perhaps even a definitive version, I would have been very happy to have been able to go to the Encyl. Britannica site, say, type in "tartiflette", and to have had a recipe pop up at me, along with some very interesting information about it such as Angela has added in her introduction. 66.1.40.242 00:18, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I believe you are 100% correct. And those who have been around longer than I have stated that there has never been any consensus about recipes and how-to articles. And nobody has ever been able to show me a policy page about them. Nevertheless, others do not agree with you and me, and articles consisting solely of a recipe do tend to end up on Votes for Deletion. One argument that is made is that a recipe, by itself, implies that that it is the only "correct" way to make the dish and therefore cannot represent a neutral point of view. (I don't agree with that argument so I may not be presenting it well!) Generally speaking, articles that put an item of food into some kind of cultural context, describe it in a general way, and then give a recipe as one specific example, are more acceptable than articles consisting solely of a recipe. Dpbsmith 01:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It's easy enough to state in an introduction, or an appendix, to a recipe that this is only one version of it. And suggestions and tips for modifying it can be also given, such as "chicken broth may be used in place of heavy cream, sautéed mushrooms may be added," etc. etc. Even now, there are strenuous arguments all over the world about the best way to simply grill a plain steak -- but there is generally a concensus on what has to be in a blanquette de veau, for instance, or a beef bouguignon to enable it to be called that. 66.1.40.242 16:54, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Keep the intro, but move the recipe (i.e. what Angela suggested, for the reasons given by Texture). SWAdair | Talk 07:48, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
