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Socialist/Social Democracy sidebars[edit]

How so? Right in the first section it mentions how the term was coined to refer to socialists. And the image graph further down emphasizes that it is collectivist. (talk) 11:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.245.246 (talk) [reply]

Socialist/Social Democracy sidebars[edit]

Why is there a socialism sidebar on this page? Communitarians tend to be populist conservatives, traditionalists, at least socially and culturally. Definitely not socialist. In fact, the biggest online supporter of communitarianism is probably The American Conservative. Just because it was a label invented two hundred years ago to mean something close to socialism 200 years ago, doesn't mean it has that connotation any more. Alasdair MacIntyre would probably be against the top-down social engineering that socialism implies. Calling communitarianism as "collectivist" is a label that an individualist would place on it, but actually a community can mean a myriad of things. A better categorization would be populist as opposed to collectivist. It should be deleted unless someone can find some links of current communitarians labeling their philosophy as socialist in some way.

A much better sidebar would be Christian democracy - as communitarianism is actually listed under the ideas section of that sidebar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mndeifnm (talk • contribs) 03:51, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Libertarian socialism? Obviously state socialism is not compatible with communitarianism Alexanderkowal (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also deleted comment about communitarians being criticized for promoting nanny states, as it was totally uncited and seems to be contrary to what most communitarians stand for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mndeifnm (talk • contribs) 00:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Christian Democracy seems the most accurate.--CriticalThinking26 (talk) 04:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links[edit]

"Fareed Zakaria, The ABCs of Communitarianism. A devil's dictionary, Slate, July 26, 1996" is a dead link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.88.255.229 (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Parties[edit]

This is completely unsourced, and I have even trouble imagining what could back this list of parties. I would be inclined to delete this list unless at least for now a partial explanation / citation of sources for a few important parties like the CDU could be added. It just looks like a list of conservative (and some right-wing populist) parties, which makes sense in a way but certainly unsupported overall. 99.225.31.174 (talk) 02:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps openly state that these are unsourced and contentious? I personally think they add a lot to the article.

Also, would the cooperative party (in the UK) and the cooperative movement as a whole be relevant to communitarianism? I think libertarian socialism has a lot of overlap with this. Alexanderkowal (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, while CDU may be less about religion now but Fidesz from Hungary emphasizes just plain conservative values (together with populist ideas on race and ethnicity). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.31.174 (talk) 03:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged the section as unsourced but honestly think it should be removed if it stays around long enough without anyone providing sources. Most of the entries aren't described anywhere as "communitarian", so this list appears to be largely original research. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this enough to include the UK Cooperative Party in this list?

Page 169 “Communal principles… vanguard co-ops”

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/j.ctv153k6cx.15.pdf?refreqid=fastly-default%3A1d444f37cd763d1688cdfb7095df7c8e&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&origin=&initiator=search-results Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That source says that there are "communitarian aspects of cooperativism", so that looks like it might be worth mentioning somewhere else in the article. But I don't see any mention of the co-operative party here, so no, it's not enough to include it in a list of "communitarian parties". -- Grnrchst (talk) 15:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair the cooperative party probably compromise too much with Fabianism and the social engineering associated with social democracy to be described as communitarian anyway, perhaps if they broke away when/if the UK gets electoral reform then the argument could be made.

There may be other articles that do suffice, I’m not very good at researching Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok! Researching takes practice, like everything else. If you find somewhere in the article where you think it would be fitting to mention cooperativism's communitarian aspects then I'd support you putting that there. :) -- Grnrchst (talk) 18:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need more sourcing[edit]

Hi, I noticed the top has a section outlining difference between philosophical vs ideological versions of communitarianism, if anybody has a source please do add it because im unable to find further info. Monsieurzro (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

It needs to be added that some organizations regard communitarianism as an excuse to deny full individual rights to members of minority communities, or to keep them to a different legal standard. The Association Laïques Sans Frontières and the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain in particular has spearheaded "The Paris Appeal" which calls for resisting "obscurantism, fundamentalism, communitarianism." Maryam Namazie, an ex-Muslim activist, has recently said in a Youtube interview with Leslie Rosenblood of Centre for Inqury Canada [1] that "[communitarianism] is a way we are divided into homogenized communities, [and] as a result we are seen as one and the same with those who are in power in our [...] communities." From website Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain - CEMB Morycm (talk) 07:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]