Talk:Triumph the Insult Comic Dog

Puppet

Where did Smigel get the puppet?

Star Wars

This is easily the best-known Triumph sketch. Why is it not featured more prominently in the article?

Triumph Vs. Pets.com Dog

According to the Answers web site, Pets.com didn't sue Triumph the Insult Comic Dog because he infringed on their trademark; Triumph was actually sued for defamation of character, resulting from repeated accusations that the Pets.com dog was just a rip-off of the Conan O'Brien character. I'd heard this from other sources as well, so that's what I'm inclined to beleive. M.Neko

The pets.com article has a referance saying Smidel sued pets.com first and they responded with a counter suit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.135.210 (talk) 18:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It appears editors of this page or the Pets.com page have a vested interested in making one look good over the other - conflicting accounts on who sued whom first. Don't know why 'Pets.com' would feel the need to damage control since they no longer exist and they actually have at least one source last I saw so... 2601:87:4400:AF2:E97D:E2CF:E42C:EFA1 (talk) 04:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Triumph's Accent

Slavic? I thought of of it as Latin/Hispanic...? Krupo 04:41, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Smigel has stated that is a Russian accent, to some extent an impression of his Grandfather.

He's called the Hungarian Insult dog, take a wild guess

--By whom is he called the Hungarian Insult Dog?

--This is an excellent discussion... FOR ME TO POOP ON!

--Looks like Krupo has never heard a latin accent. I'm spanish and I say: that accent must be russian or something, that way of pronouncing the R is not spanish at all.

--In the recent Inside the Actor's Studio with Conan O'Brien, Conan said that it was a "Russian woman's voice". Can't be arsed to actually cite it and such, so I'll just leave this tidbit here if anyone wants it. --132.170.125.87 (talk) 16:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Robert Smigel interview in Time Magazine on Nov. 24, 2000:

Q: Why was that thick-accented voice the one you decided to go with?

A: Yeah, Triumph is a Borscht Belt comic, but he talks like he's from eastern Europe. Very tangled web. When I was 10 years old, that's the voice I gave to dogs. I think because my grandparents talked in that accent.

Q: And they had dogs?

A: No. [laughs] The awful explanation I have is like I subconsciously compare dogs with eastern European immigrants because they both come over, they both enter the world with wide-eyed wonder, they're both just a step behind what's going on — at first anyway. So I just imagine a dog talking "Oh, look at all of this! I can't believe it!" So every dog on this show has an eastern European accent. They are all the same accent, just different voices. Just like real dogs. [1]

Fresh Air interview

Smigel further explains the "eastern European" accent of his dog characters around 4:10 of the following interviews:

• "Comic Robert Smigel, Master Of 'Triumph'". Fresh Air. NPR. 19 December 2000. Why do all the dogs sound like Triumph? ... I realize there are more accents in the world than eastern European, but in my head that's how dogs talk. ... my grandparents are Russian immigrants ... I make an unconscious connection between dogs and immigrants just off the boat because they both have a certain element of wide-eyed wonder.

/ edg ☺ ☭ 11:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If the accent is intended to be "eastern European", then Smigel pretty much sucks at doing accents. My grandparents are east European, and to me Triumph's accent always sounded like a caricature of a Mexican/central American accent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 03:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Maybe your opinion is an opinion. It's intended to be Russian - are your relatives Russian? Does it really matter? I don't think it does. 2601:87:4400:AF2:E97D:E2CF:E42C:EFA1 (talk) 04:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Triumph's Breed

Looks more like a Rottweiler to me. I belive the hand puppet that is Triumph was onc sold a s a Rottweiler puppet.

Article Title: Comma Needed?

This is a very picky point, I know, but WP is the only place I've ever seen "Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog" with the comma. Perhaps this article should be moved to the commaless title? Or am I being too pedantic? Telestylo 07:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Confrontation with Eminem?

You should put more details. What did he actually say that made them edit it out of the reruns? user:gwat

2004 election

triumph did a bit where he skewered everyone in spin alley during the 2004 election season. It's one of his best bits. Why is it not mentioned?

Québec Bashing

I'd just like to add, as a long-time quebecois fan of Conan's show, that the little scandal with that Québec city episode was more about the show receiving a million in government money to tape in Toronto as a city p.r. event following the SARS crisis. Oh yeah, and the sketch was just... I dunno, but I'me sure i never seen a french beret in my home town. Altough I saw a tuque, once.

Faut dire que les Américains, tsé, c'est pas très calé en ce qui concerne les cultures hors-étatsunisiennes... Depuis le temps que je les vois nous dépeindre en beret et veste bleue, buvant du vin, serrant des accordéons, mangeant des escargots... Trucs qui des fois ne sont même plus français, sans parler de canadiens. Laodah 07:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Debut

I seem to remember his debut being one of a number of sketches on Conan where they would field some new characters for the coming year. Triumph was one of them and every joke ended with "for me to poop on". I think "pimpbot" and the controversial "camel-toe Annie" had a similar origin.

- Also Conan says that it was Attack of the Nerds that was first real sketch, not dog show.

Criticism

Okay, I've just submitted the following entry and had it deleted in about 30 seconds by self-proclaimed net-cop Meeples:

"Many of Trimphs clips contain very obvious changes in ambient audio levels and background noise, a clear indication of post-production dubbing. These sound-bytes typically contain humorous comebacks and often occur mid-sentence or in response to statements made by members of the public, thus suggesting that Smigel's comedic skill isn't quite as spontaneous as he would have his audience believe."

I have no intention of starting a debate on the ethics of such conduct, but the fact that it does so obviously occur in numerous Trimph clips is a perfectly valid point to make. Much of Triumphs humor lies in the fact that it is presented as being spontaneous. Such deliberate video manipulation calls into question the authenticity of the clips, a quality that Wikipedia itself aspires to.

Meeples, I appreciate the efforts people such as yourself make to maintain the standard of Wikipedia articles. I would also appreciate it if in future you provide more details as to your reasons. At the very least, something a little more substantial than a pithy accusation of it being "nonsense". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.82.183.148 (talk) 08:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

That sounds interesting, but it's your original research. That would be acceptable only if you have more facts and sources to support your research. --Svetovid 12:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

: I'm really interested in your methodology, can you elaborate on how you determined which lines were ADRed because they were re-written afterwards and which lines were ADRed because of bad sound and which lines were ADRed to compress time but accurately represented things he said? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.166.75 (talk) 18:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

living person

should triumph be classified as a living person biography, my reasoing is 1. he is a character of a living person and 2. he is at times controversial so it might be good to have the same restrictions.

I think him not being alive, or a person, could present a logical problem there. Also why is he in "Fictional Hispanics"? Bender (Futurama) would fit, although I just added him to Fictional Mexicans instead, but when did Triumph say he was Hispanic?--T. Anthony 13:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Terri Gross interview

Triumph appeared on Fresh Air to mock Bill O'Reilly's appearance on the same show. I'll see if I can find the date of his appearance.

Bon Jovi tour: Triumph the Earth 2000

Bon Jovi have never had a tour called "Triumph the Earth 2000". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninaa1988 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Accent

as a non native English-speaker myself, I still seem to find that he's got some English accent, is that Scottish? Irish? or just,well, Doggish? If he speaks in some accent at all, it would be good for someone who knows which one, to point it out in the article. Mountolive _{group using a loop of another pop group} 15:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you not see this section on this very same Talk page, above? --anon.141.149.52.9 (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

whats with all the eminem related vandalism

didnt eminems confrontation with this puppet occur about 10 years ago? did something else happen to offend eminem fans? badmachine (talk) 08:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Two sub-sections on Westminster shows

Merge 'em? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 03:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

done 107.142.107.47 (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Blackwolf the Dragonmaster

Why does it seem that Blackwolf the Dragonmaster is the secondary subject of this article. Can we remove those portions dealing with him? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 23 June 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: The page has been moved as per consenus. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog → Triumph the Insult Comic Dog – Most sources do not use the comma, including NBC's 2004 "about" page for Late Night with Conan O'Brien. Similarly, this 2004 Entertainment Weekly article and the character's official Facebook page. Arbor to SJ (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:34, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support, per WP:COMMONAME and consistency with, for example, Spot the Dog.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom and User:Amakuru. I'm not sure how relevant Spot the Dog is, as it is a book series title. However, it appears that other entries in Category:Puppets are all titled sans comma as well. —  AjaxSmack  14:31, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

  @AjaxSmack: It's relevant because the WP:MOS is a sitewide guideline. If it's acceptable to omit the comma there, then it's acceptable to omit it here. Not that without the comma either of those two phrases *could* be parsed as an imperative. "Triumph the Insult Comic Dog!" "Spot the Dog!" yes, go on on. Do both those things. Normal usage doesn't require us to make that distinction with a comma though.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, Amakuru and AjaxSmack. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per common name and consistency with similar articles. ╠╣uw [talk] 09:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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